Capt'n Midnight wrote: » Turkey can make suggestions but has to follow EU rules on the stuff covered by their CU. So they will throw a wobbly if the UK are allowed a say in customers union rules that are forced upon Turkey. Turkey makes almost as many vehicles as the UK. With a fraction of the labour costs. (and they buy nearly a billion dollars of parts from Bosch. )http://www.invest.gov.tr/en-US/infocenter/publications/Documents/AUTOMOTIVE.INDUSTRY.pdf
cryptocurrency wrote: » I'm sure they have taken this into account which is why the EU either gives it up or there is no deal.
Anthracite wrote: » Gives up what? The reason for its own existence? I don't think you understand organisations.
cryptocurrency wrote: » UK accounts for 1/5th of German car exports. That is just a start. Stop trying to compare the UK to Turkey.
Anthracite wrote: » Funny then that the German car manufacturers are ON THE RECORD as being more concerned about protecting the Single Market than protecting a single market. Still, I'm sure the UK's nationalised car factories will be churning out high-quality cars of the people under the post-Brexit Corbinist Marxist utopia - god knows, the Japanese won't be using them for anything. Can anyone name anthing other than cheese that is made in England these days?
cryptocurrency wrote: » Weapons and Financial products. The EU is well aware of both export excellences of the UK.
Anthracite wrote: » Can anyone tell me whether a 'financial product' is a good or a service? Hmm...what's the story on selling services across borders...tough is it? Follow-up question: does any other country in Europe make weapons? I think one or two...let me see...off the top of my head: Spain Italy Czech Republic Germany Sweden France Belgium Funnily enough, the UK comes in behind both Germany AND France in terms of making and exporting arms.https://www.euractiv.com/section/defence-and-security/news/european-arms-exports-on-the-rise/ I think that 'argument' has backfired on you somewhat.
cryptocurrency wrote: » The EU will keep sticking to the party line even as the flames are all around them. Reminds me of the film Downfall. It is quite amazing with all the obvious problems now and coming down the line that people are buying the EU lines.
Midlife wrote: » This is a silly argument destined to go nowhere. Your take on it seems to be that the both the EU imports (weapons and services) and exports (cars from Germany) from and to the UK are a source of strength at the negotiating table for the UK and somehow both conversly weaknesses for the EU. But obviously a similar loss of both imports and markets will not harm the UK. This makes no sense. It seems to be honest that you're committed in the belief that the EU is crashing down any minute now and the Uk is holding all the cards. When Boris comes back, he'll sort it all out. I don't think this is based on much other than hope and belief. To be honest though, that's as much as a lot of economists go on. Anyway, we'll know who was right in a few years. It's been one massive cock up though, and you can't deny that. The Uk entered negotiations with no mandate, plan or leverage and are now pissed of with what they got.
cryptocurrency wrote: » If the UK went for a hard brexit from day one it would have been seen as bullish, unfriendly, uncooperative and not good optics domestically. If TM manages to drag this out but stumbling and stuttering, have the whole EU chuckling smugly till February and an "accidental no deal" happens then she will go down as a political hero in the UK. There are too many reasons for the UK to leave the EU that are vital but are extremely unpalatable to be discussed with the snowflake masses, especially during vegan January. Global politics is a very dark art. Staying the EU makes no sense from a national security standpoint and if anyone is honest with themselves they would stop the ridiculous idea the UK can still remain. The climb down would mean the nation is dead and the support of the majority of its people gone with it. That is national suicide. An Indian/Pakistani standoff is far preferable to the utter humiliation of cowing to the EU now. The thought of remaining in the EU now after the last few years make many sick to their stomach.
FrancieBrady wrote: » There is a saying 'pride comes before a fall' and it is very apt here. The UK has put it's hand up and is being taught a lesson about it's place in the world. A lesson it really didn't need to learn, it could've sat quietly at the back of the class and kept cogging the homework.
cryptocurrency wrote: » This arrogance is what the problem is. Can you list the EU nations. Read them, Read them twice. Then add the fact that the Eastern, Southern Med and northern European all have different ideas and values. This hasn't even started yet. Who is going to teach the UK this lesson? The countries that matter are not on the list. UK relations in the Anglosphere is far more important and influential. Both London and Washington know full well that Australia is a far more important strategic partner to them than the French. You couldn't even compare the two.
cryptocurrency wrote: » If the UK went for a hard brexit from day one it would have been seen as bullish, unfriendly, uncooperative and not good optics domestically. If TM manages to drag this out but stumbling and stuttering, have the whole EU chuckling smugly till February and an "accidental no deal" happens then she will go down as a political hero in the UK.
FrancieBrady wrote: » They have already been taught the lesson. Have your stuff together before coming to the negotiating table. They got owned, basically, because the UK is basically slowly breaking up. The centre cannot hold. The choice they have is a bad deal or No Deal. :rolleyes:
cryptocurrency wrote: » No deal is a great deal. UK will not break up. In fact, when the remainers look like complete hysterical babies two years from now when the collapse of the economy doesn't happen that they spent years going on about, most will never get taken seriously again. They need to be reminded each and every time they even attempt to open their mouths. Just point and laugh at them every time they try to talk. Blair, Clegg, Geldoff, and the rest..never on TV again. Gonna be great.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Are you living in some parallel universe? Parliament will dissolve before it allows a no deal. No deal is perfect for those who want the UK to break up. I could see it happen inside 10 years after a No Deal scenario.
cryptocurrency wrote: » No deal is a great deal.
cryptocurrency wrote: » Scotland had their referendum and they will have to wait a bit longer before another. It was well beaten and would still lose.
black forest wrote: » In the meantime others are putting together a quite simple evaluation of the current situation . . .
RobMc59 wrote: » Not sure that something which has cost thousands their lives is comedy stuff and I for one am curious as to why they are crossing all those European countries to get to the UK?
RobMc59 wrote: » The latest suggestion by sajid javid that the migrants could be dropped off at any safe port and mentioned French and other ports is controversial but would spread the load perhaps.
cryptocurrency wrote: » Midlife wrote: » This is a silly argument destined to go nowhere. Your take on it seems to be that the both the EU imports (weapons and services) and exports (cars from Germany) from and to the UK are a source of strength at the negotiating table for the UK and somehow both conversly weaknesses for the EU. But obviously a similar loss of both imports and markets will not harm the UK. This makes no sense. It seems to be honest that you're committed in the belief that the EU is crashing down any minute now and the Uk is holding all the cards. When Boris comes back, he'll sort it all out. I don't think this is based on much other than hope and belief. To be honest though, that's as much as a lot of economists go on. Anyway, we'll know who was right in a few years. It's been one massive cock up though, and you can't deny that. The Uk entered negotiations with no mandate, plan or leverage and are now pissed of with what they got. If the UK went for a hard brexit from day one it would have been seen as bullish, unfriendly, uncooperative and not good optics domestically. If TM manages to drag this out but stumbling and stuttering, have the whole EU chuckling smugly till February and an "accidental no deal" happens then she will go down as a political hero in the UK. There are too many reasons for the UK to leave the EU that are vital but are extremely unpalatable to be discussed with the snowflake masses, especially during vegan January. Global politics is a very dark art. Staying the EU makes no sense from a national security standpoint and if anyone is honest with themselves they would stop the ridiculous idea the UK can still remain. The climb down would mean the nation is dead and the support of the majority of its people gone with it. That is national suicide. An Indian/Pakistani standoff is far preferable to the utter humiliation of cowing to the EU now. The thought of remaining in the EU now after the last few years make many sick to their stomach.
Capt'n Midnight wrote: Turkey can make suggestions but has to follow EU rules on the stuff covered by their CU.
cryptocurrency wrote: » Just a way of saving face for the EU when in reality any legal detail on backstop being temp means they did renegotiate
Peregrinus wrote: » Note that the Twitter thread is from Eleanor Sharpston, a British QC who has been an Advocate General at the Court of Justice of the EU since 2006. So she writes on this stuff with some authority.
cryptocurrency wrote: » There are too many reasons for the UK to leave the EU that are vital but are extremely unpalatable to be discussed with the snowflake masses, especially during vegan January.
cryptocurrency wrote: » There are weapons and there are weapons and there are services and there are financial products. There are even financial weapon products. It is all very complex. Even google doesn't have the details handy.
