silverharp wrote: » There is more to it than deficit, some types of food can be addictive , like sugar based or the “lethal” combination of high sugar high fat which override satiety signals and cause metabolic damage like insulin resistance. Why would you decide what is too big a change for someone? I’d say its easier for some people to effectively cut out processed carbs and sugar for example rather than moderating how much they are “allowed” to eat. Given that sugar sometimes gets compared to cocaine, you wouldn’t insist every cocaine user moderates their intake? Some people are just better off giving it up because its too difficult to walk the tightrope People are complicated and have all kinds of blind spots, at the end of the day though whatever someone does it probably ought not be “will power” based, it needs to habit based and enjoyable to follow. From my perspective I enjoy what I do because every time I eat, I eat until I am full so I don’t stress about it, I just need to be mindful not to over eat too much in the way of really high calorie food like cheese or nuts because the “ratio” of calories to satiety isn’t great.
Macy0161 wrote: » I'm not sure someone immediately switching to the diet of a 100 years ago is any more sustainable than any other crash diet. It's too big a change, and people a 100 years ago didn't have the choices in front of them. But if someone did take that approach, and it worked, the same as every other "diet" it would be because of going into calorie deficit. Calories in being less than calories out remains the only scientifically proven method of losing weight. The diet industry is because people want the easy option, not because calorie counting doesn't work. Calorie counting fails because of user input, mainly the under estimation of calories or portions. But also an over estimation of calories burned through apps and activity trackers. There's an interesting example of over estimation of food, in an interesting article, that was in the guardian today...https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jan/05/truth-obesity-five-fat-myths-debunked
silverharp wrote: » The choice is count calories if you must eat everything in moderation several times a day or don’t count calories and eat similar to the way people did a 100 years ago and trust your appetite. Choose what works best for you, but the first approach doesn’t seem to work for a lot of people as evidenced by the size of the “diet” industry.
Penn wrote: » The issue was people didn't have the same access to calorie-dense food as they do now. Rich foods were the luxury then, whereas now because its made so cheap and easily available, people eat more of it as the norm. There weren't ready made meals, or takeaways, or fast food, not to the extent there is now and not to the extent of how people eat that sort of food now. That's why they didn't need to count calories back then and why we kinda do now (particularly in the case of what the discussion was about, which was how to lose weight). Again, it's bull****, but it's wrapped in a half-truth. People didn't count calories back then and obesity wasn't such a problem. That's true. But it completely ignores something which has had a fundamental change on people's diets nowadays which means counting calories can be very important.
NeonCookies wrote: » Myself and my boyfriend are both overweight. We don't eat horrendously unhealthily (as in we're not stuffing our faces with crisps and chocolate every day!), it's more a collection of bad habits, particularly portion sizes. We will hopefully start a family in a year or two and I'd love us to be as healthy as can be for that. We're both good cooks and makes all sauces etc from scratch so at least we're not starting from nothing. I want it to be sustainable so I've been thinking of 12 steps - each month has a specific focus with the idea being to form a habit and then add to it! To start I've got: 1. Focus on having at least 5 portions of fruit and veg per day - currently we only get 2-3 which is awful 2. Seriously focus on portion sizes, particularly of carbs (the idea of having the veg step before this is that this one will be easier and probably happen naturally with more veg on the plate) 3. At least 2 veggie dinners per week (we already have some fab recipes that we've enjoyed, we can just be lazy about them sometimes) 4. Move more - get out for at least 2 walks during the week, and one long walk at weekends ... that's the general idea, could anyone add some more ideas? Trying to link them with the seasons too e.g. a goal regarding salads or something during the summer months, to set us up for success and make it enjoyable!
silverharp wrote: » I havnt seen this programme , but what is wrong with the statement that people weren’t obese in the past before people knew anything about calories? To make the same point someone on twitter showed a piece of footage from new York around 1910 and there wasn’t a single obese person in all the footage.
silverharp wrote: » I havnt seen this programme , but what is wrong with the statement that people weren’t obese in the past before people knew anything about calories?
Penn wrote: » Christ, I caught a few minutes of that myself and it was awful. One guy said that counting calories doesn't work because no one counted calories in our grandparents day and obesity wasn't as big of a problem then. And even one of the more sensible ones said you shouldn't count calories because it's boring, and if you only got your calories each day from chocolates you'd be malnourished, so just forget about calories and eat a balanced diet. Turned it off after that. Complete tosh, wrapping up bull**** in half-truths and ignoring common sense.
Macy0161 wrote: » Channel 5 had a whole two hour programme the other night that was mainly perpetuating the myths (imo at least - giving equal or more time to the cranks than the science).
the lizard king wrote: » In fairness, diet is crucial to weight loss. Anyone who tells you different doesn't know what they're talking about. The ratio of diet to exercise when it comes to weight loss is 85%-15%. The next key thing is to find nutritious foods that you actually like. You will not sustain a diet of healthy food that you ultimately dislike. Then, find a fish that you enjoy, salmon and tuna are best, but white fish is fine also provided it's not battered, breaded or deep-fried. Steamed is best. If you're not opposed to supplements then a good protein powder is effective. The more muscle you build the greater amount of calories your body requires even at rest. A shake or porridge in the morning with some protein powder through it is nice and a brilliant breakfast. Protein production is also greater at night when you're asleep so taking a casine supplement is good for muscle growth. If that's too much try natural yogurt with a tablespoon of peanut butter and some blueberries as a pre-bed snack. Reduce your portion sizes, switch potatoes with sweet potatoes, give up pasta and replace rice with quinoa. Eat mostly green veg as colored veg contain more sugar. Do not eat fruit such as oranges or bananas after 8 at night. Some people believe you shouldn't eat after your main evening meal at all. If you wish to do this, a useful tip is to brush your teeth 30 mins after your meal and make sure to brush your tongue. Often people think they're hungry in the evening when it's just flavors from their meal still on their tongues that's making them crave food. Almonds for snack also. Hope this is helpful. Good luck. Mark
NeonCookies wrote: » ... that's the general idea, could anyone add some more ideas? Trying to link them with the seasons too e.g. a goal regarding salads or something during the summer months, to set us up for success and make it enjoyable!
Cake Man wrote: » Lol I can’t believe people still believe this sh!t.
the lizard king wrote: » Do not eat fruit such as oranges or bananas after 8 at night.
the lizard king wrote: » Another tip: don't go more than 4 hrs without eating. If you do your body goes into starvation mode. Nothing to do with starvi g to death, it means thd body switches on the stress hormone cortisol (might be spelled incorrectly), which instructs the body to store sugar and fat and to use protein as an energy source. If you go longer than 4 hrs make sure what you eat next has little to no sugar or fat whatsoever in it. Mark
Canelo103 wrote: » Heres Johnny wrote: » I posted this at 118kg in July but didn't do anything about it. In October I started running and eating a little bit less. Not really huge changes but results are showing. I haven't gone mad on a diet or anything just cut some rubbish out. I'm now 107kgs which is 11kg in 2 months. Everyone that sees me remarks on the weight loss so thats good. Target was 100kg and maybe still is, when I get there I'll see if I want to go to 95kg. Maybe I will. Shouldn't be a problem I'm in the swing of things now. Signed up to Dublin city marathon in October 2019 and my running is geared towards being able for it in 4 hrs 30 mins. At the moment, at 107kgs I can run a 30 min 5k pretty easily. So marathon pace will be a bit slower and I should be 90-95kg it's or so doing it. Maybe for the sake of doing a marathon I'll keep pushing even when I hit 100kgs. I haven't the inclination nor the body type to go any lower than 90ķgs anyway. I'm gonna read through to see how everyone is doing and pick up tips. My tip...just eat meals and cut the rubbish, don't go mental on the portion sizes and get up and exercise. Not exactly rocket science but I'm proof it works. I'd avoid long distance running, generally speaking it's not good for you as it stresses and ages you. Have a look at 100m sprinters vs ling distance runners, which ones look healthier. It's more beneficial to do weight training, high intenisty aerobic activity for short durations and mobility training.
Heres Johnny wrote: » I posted this at 118kg in July but didn't do anything about it. In October I started running and eating a little bit less. Not really huge changes but results are showing. I haven't gone mad on a diet or anything just cut some rubbish out. I'm now 107kgs which is 11kg in 2 months. Everyone that sees me remarks on the weight loss so thats good. Target was 100kg and maybe still is, when I get there I'll see if I want to go to 95kg. Maybe I will. Shouldn't be a problem I'm in the swing of things now. Signed up to Dublin city marathon in October 2019 and my running is geared towards being able for it in 4 hrs 30 mins. At the moment, at 107kgs I can run a 30 min 5k pretty easily. So marathon pace will be a bit slower and I should be 90-95kg it's or so doing it. Maybe for the sake of doing a marathon I'll keep pushing even when I hit 100kgs. I haven't the inclination nor the body type to go any lower than 90ķgs anyway. I'm gonna read through to see how everyone is doing and pick up tips. My tip...just eat meals and cut the rubbish, don't go mental on the portion sizes and get up and exercise. Not exactly rocket science but I'm proof it works.
Canelo103 wrote: » I'd avoid long distance running, generally speaking it's not good for you as it stresses and ages you. Have a look at 100m sprinters vs ling distance runners, which ones look healthier. It's more beneficial to do weight training, high intenisty aerobic activity for short durations and mobility training.
Heres Johnny wrote: » Can I get in on this lads? I'll never join a group or anything so this might help. 5 ft 10 or 180cms, 118kg or about 260 lbs which is 18 st 8 Target is 100kg. Brother is 100kg and he looks well, plenty of muscle mass like myself but he is much much leaner even at 100kg. Both of us bulky rugby players, I got fat he still looks very strong and fit. Only exercise is walking the dog. I went to 95kg in 2013 when I didn't have a car and cycled without changing my diet though so I think my body will respond well to exercise and diet. Are we going to do it on this thread? Looking forward to it. Need a bit of support and happy to give it too. Diet consists of meat, potatoes and bread really. Could do with getting fruit and veg in there really. Love stir fry which I always see mentioned here. It's in the supermarket I need to make the changes.
redzerdrog wrote: » https://www.dominicmunnelly.ie/articles-1/2018/3/1/fitness-as-play-not-work
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