Connacht Vs Ulster build up thread ( insert smart joke about both provinces here)

bilston wrote: »

Butler and Coetzee are 50/50?

Stats do not mean everything. They still mean something.

The S-AF is used more often as a better carrier. Butler is lighter as I said, but not less effective to gain ground. And pretty simalar defender (1 tackle each 5 minute-period for Marcel, 1 tackle each 6 minute-period for Jarrod).

Coetzee

Apparences
14

Min Played
986

Tries
2

Passes Completed
49

Metres Gained
277

Carries
185

Defenders Beaten
35

Tackles
191

Butler

Appearances
11

Minutes Played
862

Try
1

Passes Completed
42

Metres Gained
240

Carries
83

Defenders Beaten
12

Tackles
141

irishgrover

connachta wrote: »

Stats do not mean everything. They still mean something.

The S-AF is used more often as a better carrier. Butler is lighter as I said, but not less effective to gain ground. And pretty simalar defender (1 tackle each 5 minute-period for Marcel, 1 tackle each 6 minute-period for Jarrod).

Coetzee

Apparences
14

Min Played
986
Tries
2

Passes Completed
49

Metres Gained
277

Carries
185

Defenders Beaten
35

Tackles 191

Butler

Appearances
11

Minutes Played
862

Try
1

Passes Completed
42

Metres Gained
240

Carries
83

Defenders Beaten
12

Tackles
141

pretty disapointing that you went and learned to do a table properly and then posted this monstrosity... :-)

irishgrover wrote: »

pretty disapointing that you went and learned to do a table properly and then posted this monstrosity... :-)

I've made you demanding:D

The back row of Boyle, faingaa and butler was deemed to be weaker than rudduck, leavy and Doris last week. And personally felt the Connacht backroads were superior last week.

I think sob brings more balance to the Connacht backrow this week and as suck should be a stronger unit. I think murphy and Coetzee are very good players and was extremely impressed with Coetzee in the match between these two teams in the kingspan but I do think the Connacht backrow as a unit will come out on top again this week.

Saying that if Connacht could sign one player from ulster I’d have Coetzee a head of any of the rest

joseywhales

If coetzee was irish qualified I'd have him as cover for eight(after stander), he is test level, I don't think Butler is there yet

joseywhales wrote: »

If coetzee was irish qualified I'd have him as cover for eight(after stander), he is test level, I don't think Butler is there yet

I think Coetzee would push very hard for a starting spot tbh. I don’t think there’s much between the pair apart from the injury’s.

On butler he’s more of a jordie murphy type. He’ll give an 8/10 preformance in any of the back row positions every week. Would be very useful in a World Cup type squad. He’s probably best at 7 though

KBurke85

Clegg wrote: »

Godwin on the wing again is a ballsy call. It's not his best position. He got a proper doing over from Adam Byrne last week.

Not a ballsy call he’s simply the last fit option we have for the wing

stephen_n

ClanofLams wrote: »

Truly shocking to see Leinster supporters living up to the stereotype of obnoxious dicks.

A couple of Swallows does not a summer make, or something to that effect.

realhorrorshow

A French club is going to offer one of the two 500k+ a year, and it isn’t Jarrad.

Good for Connacht!

And French clubs are not particularly good examples. Big names, small results, some failures.

(all converted per 100 Minutes played)

Head-to-Head | Colby Fainga'a | Jordi Murphy
Passes Completed | 5,19 | 3,98
Metres Gained | 21,6 | 12,6
Carries | 13,5 | 11,9
Defenders Beaten | 0,3 | 1
Tackles | 14,7 | 13,9

troyzer

connachta wrote: »

(all converted per 100 Minutes played)

Head-to-Head | Colby Fainga'a | Jordi Murphy
Passes Completed | 5,19 | 3,98
Metres Gained | 21,6 | 12,6
Carries | 13,5 | 11,9
Defenders Beaten | 0,3 | 1
Tackles | 14,7 | 13,9

You made this just so you can deploy your new found table prowess, just admit it.

connachta wrote: »

Good for Connacht!

And French clubs are not particularly good examples. Big names, small results, some failures.

The stats mean very little. The Ulster lads are playing in Champions Cup. Higher level of rugby. Have you factored that in.

troyzer wrote: »

You made this just so you can deploy your new found table prowess, just admit it.

No you can check the figures.
But I enjoyed the table indeed

Burkie1203 wrote: »

The stats mean very little. The Ulster lads are playing in Champions Cup. Higher level of rugby. Have you factored that in.

That matters. A bit

I said as a precaution

Stats do not mean everything. They still mean something.

connachta wrote: »

That matters. A bit

I said as a precaution

But you cant use stats to judge players on two different teams with two different coaching teams.

Coetzee and Jordi will be the two best backrows on the pitch on Friday. That doesnt mean they will be the two best performers on the night but they have played at a far higher level then anyone else.

Burkie1203 wrote: »

But you cant use stats to judge players on two different teams with two different coaching teams.

Coetzee and Jordi will be the two best backrows on the pitch on Friday. That doesnt mean they will be the two best performers on the night but they have played at a far higher level then anyone else.

Butler has 61 super rugby appearances
Faingaa has 101 super rugby appearances
I’m sure they played some high level stuff.

I think Coetzee is the best individual backrow starting and Murphy is probably the second. I do think butler and faingaa are underrated by other provinces fan basis, as Leinster found out last week.

Wegians89 wrote: »

Butler has 61 super rugby appearances
Faingaa has 101 super rugby appearances
I’m sure they played some high level stuff.

I think Coetzee is the best individual backrow starting and Murphy is probably the second. I do think butler and faingaa are underrated by other provinces fan basis, as Leinster found out last week.

They haven't been playing Super Rugby this season though. My post was about the stats and how they are distorted by the level of opposition.

Burkie1203 wrote: »

They haven't been playing Super Rugby this season though. My post was about the stats and how they are distorted by the level of opposition.

Apologies thought you were speaking in general rather than this season.

Wegians89 wrote: »

Butler has 61 super rugby appearances
Faingaa has 101 super rugby appearances
I’m sure they played some high level stuff.

I think Coetzee is the best individual backrow starting and Murphy is probably the second. I do think butler and faingaa are underrated by other provinces fan basis, as Leinster found out last week.

That's exactly what I've been trying to say for 10 days.

And the gap, way thinner than most think, may be null or the reverse tomorrow. If you add SOB and Butler, Connacht may have the better back-row. Same was said against Leavy/Doris/Ruddock. Same will be said vs any Munster combo, except the best alltogether (TOD/POM/Stander)

And it's about back-row, not overall "green-glasses". As I pointed, Delahunt throws and Leader under high-balls may cost Connacht the game, with more likelihood..

connachta wrote: »

That's exactly what I've been trying to say for 10 days.

And the gap, way thinner than most think, may be null or the reverse tomorrow. If you add SOB and Butler, Connacht may have the better back-row. Same was said against Leavy/Doris/Ruddock. Same will be said vs any Munster combo, except the best alltogether (TOD/POM/Stander)

And it's about back-row, not overall "green-glasses". As I pointed, Delahunt throws and Leader under high-balls may cost Connacht the game, with more likelihood..

On the one hand you big up the Connacht players. On the other you see finishing mid table as a target. Doesn't stack up

troyzer

Burkie1203 wrote: »

connachta wrote: »

That's exactly what I've been trying to say for 10 days.

And the gap, way thinner than most think, may be null or the reverse tomorrow. If you add SOB and Butler, Connacht may have the better back-row. Same was said against Leavy/Doris/Ruddock. Same will be said vs any Munster combo, except the best alltogether (TOD/POM/Stander)

And it's about back-row, not overall "green-glasses". As I pointed, Delahunt throws and Leader under high-balls may cost Connacht the game, with more likelihood..

On the one hand you big up the Connacht players. On the other you see finishing mid table as a target. Doesn't stack up

Absolutely wrecked.

Burkie1203 wrote: »

On the one hand you big up the Connacht players. On the other you see finishing mid table as a target. Doesn't stack up

Absolutely no contradiction

Connacht main team is a middle table team, on a par with Ulster, other middle table team.
And on a par with Munster or Leinster "A+" teams.
That's good enough to qualify for European Cup.

Back-row is probably one of the strongest position where Connacht matches other big clubs. Scrumhalf and Centre too. It doesn't mean the rest is the exact same.

Former Former

Wegians89 wrote: »

Butler has 61 super rugby appearances
Faingaa has 101 super rugby appearances
I’m sure they played some high level stuff.

I think Coetzee is the best individual backrow starting and Murphy is probably the second. I do think butler and faingaa are underrated by other provinces fan basis, as Leinster found out last week.

We didn't underrate them, we all know/knew Butler is a quality operator and that Fainga'a is a perfectly serviceable pro. Nothing that happened last week changed that. They are not as good as Leavy and Ruddock and not as good as Coetzee and Murphy.

Zzippy

troyzer wrote: »

They should let you lads play at half time actually, like the minis.

troyzer wrote: »

Absolutely wrecked.

troyzer wrote: »

If I'm one of those posters, I do apologise.

I've been a bit of a **** lately.

Yes, yes you have. Build up threads are for friendly banter, not trolling and winding people up. See the charter particularly the bit re "Don't be a dick" and post more constructively in future.

connachta wrote: »

Absolutely no contradiction

Connacht main team is a middle table team, on a par with Ulster, other middle table team.
And on a par with Munster or Leinster "A+" teams.
That's good enough to qualify for European Cup.

Back-row is probably one of the strongest position where Connacht matches other big clubs. Scrumhalf and Centre too. It doesn't mean the rest is the exact same.

Connachts aim should be 2nd in the conference this season they’re good enough to do it. Munster are nothing special.