kuro68k wrote: » The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.
LeinsterDub wrote: » May has called an emergency conference call with the cabinet. Unknown why just yet.
VinLieger wrote: » Haven't they done this already countless times by claiming they are being punished for leaving as they won't keep all the benefits of membership? Enough idiots swallow that illogical garbage to keep the express and mail in business.
Hurrache wrote: » The knowledge level around the whole EU/Brexit is still absurdly low. Sky News have a regular panel type thing at various locations around the UK and a guy this morning, local business owner, when asked what he think should happen if May's deal is voted down said that the only option is to go back to the EU and get a better deal. The emergency cabinet conference call is suspected to be due to a move to delay the vote.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » It's quite possible that Ireland will come under severe pressure to change the backstop.
Hurrache wrote: » It's the EU's backstop, not Ireland's. And pressure from who?
robinph wrote: » If the options for tomorrow become the deal or no brexit, does that give the deal more chance of getting through now though? When it was the deal or "something else we've not yet figured out" then people from both sides could vote for the ??? option and claim that was the one that best fitted their aims. Are the Brexiteers really going to vote for the no brexit option just because they don't like May's deal? The EU could have just handed May the way of getting the deal agreed upon as the brexiteers hate the deal, but they hate no brexit more.
seamus wrote: » Yeah, I don't think the EU is going to be seeking concessions to make the deal sweeter. If anything they'll be holding out olive branches to cancel Brexit completely; that's what is in everyone's best interests.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » I would like to see that happening but such is the atmosphere in Britain now, I can't see how they would simply remain without tearing the country apart.
McGiver wrote: » Not unless it's decided by a referendum. But I agree regardless of the outcome, the country remains divided and politically broken. And the Brexiteers won't go away ever, they'll keep poisoning the British politics. While important issues are not addressed (NHS, austeriry, stagnating wages, immigration reform, poverty, inequality, backward regions, constitutional arrangement etc.).
Professor Moriarty wrote: » It's quite possible that Ireland will come under severe pressure to change the backstop. Apart from the implicit and explicit nasty threats to our economy emanating from Tory politicians as they try to ditch the backstop, it also is in the EU's economic interest to ensure that there isn't a hard Brexit. If the only impediment to the deal going through is the backstop, then I expect much communication between Dublin, London and Brussels as to how this might be fudged.
Mc Love wrote: » Vote is going ahead as planned tomorrow. No idea what the conference call was for.
lawred2 wrote: » yeah because two years of standing firm on the backstop - now is when the EU will do a volte face to help out some anti EU Tories in their hour of need seriously?
Mc Love wrote: » Bloomberg reporting vote will be called off now https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-10/may-seeks-last-minute-changes-to-deal-before-vote-brexit-update?srnd=premium-europe
McGiver wrote: » Not unless it's decided by a referendum. But I agree regardless of the outcome, the country remains divided and politically broken. And the Brexiteers won't go away ever, they'll keep poisoning the British politics.
cml387 wrote: » Difinitely major speculation now that vote will be called off. Watch sterling in the next few hours.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Umm, yes seriously. Not to help Tories but to suit the EU, in the context of the EU seeing May's agreement as they best option for avoiding a hard Brexit. I think it's a possibility, not a probability, that just right now there is a lot of communication between Dublin, London and Brussels as to how the backstop might be fudged to get the deal through parliament. In fact, I'd be very surprised if there was no talk at all about how it might be fudged. I doubt if it can be fudged enough to suit all, though.
lawred2 wrote: » just called off? and then what?
Hurrache wrote: » No backstop on the border issue would have suited the EU from the outset and made things a lot lot easier a long time ago.
VinLieger wrote: » By all accounts there is and always has been a majority of MP's in favour of remain, the only problem is such a vote in parliament would more than definitely split the Tory party and leave the Labour party completely fractured and close to a split too. Neither parties leadership want such a vote as they know the consequences could be disastrous for their parties, once again they are both putting party before country.
hill16bhoy wrote: » British politics would benefit if both the Tories and Labour split. If you had five "major" parties rather than three (it's really two at the moment, in truth, as the Lib Dems are always trailing the other two considerably), majority government in the UK would become a thing of the past, and first past the post would be shown up as the disastrous system it is.
