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Wibbs

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Here you go.

There isn't even a debate about whether immigration benefits societies. It's categorical. It does.

To fail to see this, one has to be illiterate in economics.

Economists eh? Given that economists are as changeable as the Irish weather on opinions and are strangely useless in predicting trends, one would be forgiven for thinking flipping a coin would be more accurate.

Why migration to Ireland should be encouraged
Immigrants could be key in tackling the demographic crises faced by the State

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/why-migration-to-ireland-should-be-encouraged-1.3157810

This is a good example of wooly thinking backing up a position the author already believes.

Where now for Irish population levels? That will be largely determined by future migration levels. Without any net migration there will be a steady, but slow population increase given fairly constant birth and death rates. With large net immigration flows, it could increase rapidly or not increase at all if net emigration resumes.

So who knows really? Never mind that unlike all the other examples of immigration benefits applying to some European countries in demographic free fall, Ireland is not one of them. As he says himself - as it's undeniable - we will have a steady increase in population. "Slow" is subjective. There is a major horn for and increasing meme pushing this idea of more and more population growth. Why? On the one hand we're being told that we're eating up the planet's resources at a rapidly increasing and dangerous rate, while on the other hand we're being told more people is a good thing. About the only benefit more people brings is more consumers and more workers to build the stuff they consume. Where does that end? Great for The Money™, not so great for the planet or humanity. How many phones has the average person reading this bought and discarded over the last twenty years? How many cars? How many consumer goods in general? As if that's sustainable.

Clearly the country could accommodate say a twofold increase in population, to almost 10 million, and still have far fewer people per square kilometre than, for example, England, Germany or the Netherlands.

So bloody what? Again with this hard on for population increase. It's frankly bewildering and more than a little blinkered.

There is little evidence also to suggest that migrants, from the European Union in particular, push down wages or displace the jobs of domestic workers.

[Emphasis mine] EU migrants are not at issue, nor are they the subject of this thread.

Statistics Show Syrian Refugees Help Host Country Economies
By Erin Rubin ERIN RUBIN | May 12, 2017

https://nonprofitquarterly.org/2017/05/12/statistics-show-syrian-refugees-help-host-country-economies/

Again America and Turkey. I have no particular issue with actual Syrian refugees by the by, but what percentage are they that have come into Europe?

More migrant workers needed to offset ageing population, says IMF
Fund’s report advises advanced economies against greater controls on migration

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/09/get-more-migrant-workers-to-offset-strain-of-ageing-population-warns-imf

Do NOT get me started on the IMF, and again with the demographic time bomb stuff.

Busting Europe’s Migration Myths
The economic benefits are huge, and public opposition is softening.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-07-12/busting-europe-s-migration-myths

Why care about undocumented immigrants? For one thing, they’ve become vital to key sectors of the US economy
June 25, 2018 11.33am BST

https://theconversation.com/why-care-about-undocumented-immigrants-for-one-thing-theyve-become-vital-to-key-sectors-of-the-us-economy-98790

And yet again with the demographic time bomb stuff. In Europe. Ireland is not Europe. We have the highest birthrate in the EU. The vast majority of these opinions are based on other economies like the US, or Germany, not Ireland. And though you have enough eejits spouting second hand Yank opinions and jargon, this always bears repeating on quite a few subjects: This is not America.

Will I Am Not

MFPM wrote: »

At least you recognise the 'other' side are being regressive, that's a step forward.

Intersting too that you're concerned about 'childish bollox, name calling' but you seem perfectly fine with the random threats of violence but then again they're only coming from one side, the 'side' you seem most sympatheitc too.

You forgot to embolden the word just before the words you did. I’m not sympathetic to any side. I’m just calling out the bullsh*t from whatever side is spewing it about the town I’ve lived in all my life. I know what goes on around here.

And the not caring about random threats of violence? In case you don’t remember. The shining boots for the reddened arses was directed at me for calling out a bullsh*t right wing video :rolleyes:
I don’t care if some nobody on the internet threatens to kick my arse. If he really wants to find me he can ask...

Franz Von Peppercorn

hill16bhoy wrote: »

There has always been new technology. Jobs have always been disappearing due to new technology, and other ones are always being created in new areas.

Not for horses.

4068ac1elhodqr

hill16bhoy wrote: »

There has always been new technology. Jobs have always been disappearing due to new technology, and other ones are always being created in new areas.

You are either greatly misinformed or simply uneducated, as to the future developments in this 4th industrial reveloution.

One that features self-learning, self-repairing, always-on, ai machines and the sheer exponential speed of technological developments.

Non highly-educated and non-litereate people (including natives), will most likely end up on the scrapheap.

hill16bhoy

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

How can I be prejudiced against them. I had no opinions about them until they started moving into Balbriggan and I got see first hand how they have made an overwhelming contribution to the decline of the town. Yes I saw Dublin in the 80s what has that got to do with Africans in balbriggan.

Your prejudice couldn't be any more obvious.

Post after post after post of it.

And then the gaslighting and projection.

Hilarious.

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

You seem fearful of Africans you must have a prejudice against them.

hill16bhoy

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

With AI and new technology a lot of jobs will disappear especially the Africans favourite occupations of taxi driver and bus driver. So we don’t need to start importing people to work in phantom jobs.

There has always been new technology. Jobs have always been disappearing due to new technology, and other ones are always being created in new areas.

[Deleted User]

enricoh wrote: »

Of course if you wanted to make an immediate impact you could tell the French, Spanish, English, Dutch migrants takign jobs in google and driving up rents etc to **** off - what you think?

Yeah, tell highly skilled, highly paid and highly taxed workers to sod off yer no use to us.

Not to mention they're fellow EU citizens and have every right to be here working and contributing. That seems irrelevant though.

All Seeing Eye

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Here you go.

There isn't even a debate about whether immigration benefits societies. It's categorical. It does.

To fail to see this, one has to be illiterate in economics.

Chris Johns: Benefits of immigration are staggering
MGI finds migrants added $6.7 trillion to world economy, and local jobs don’t suffer

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/chris-johns-benefits-of-immigration-are-staggering-1.2892712

Why migration to Ireland should be encouraged
Immigrants could be key in tackling the demographic crises faced by the State

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/why-migration-to-ireland-should-be-encouraged-1.3157810

Evidence shows immigration is a boon to economies

https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/evidence-shows-immigration-is-a-boon-to-economies-449076.html

Statistics Show Syrian Refugees Help Host Country Economies
By Erin Rubin ERIN RUBIN | May 12, 2017

https://nonprofitquarterly.org/2017/05/12/statistics-show-syrian-refugees-help-host-country-economies/

More migrant workers needed to offset ageing population, says IMF
Fund’s report advises advanced economies against greater controls on migration

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/09/get-more-migrant-workers-to-offset-strain-of-ageing-population-warns-imf

Busting Europe’s Migration Myths
The economic benefits are huge, and public opposition is softening.

Why care about undocumented immigrants? For one thing, they’ve become vital to key sectors of the US economy
June 25, 2018 11.33am BST

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-07-12/busting-europe-s-migration-myths

https://theconversation.com/why-care-about-undocumented-immigrants-for-one-thing-theyve-become-vital-to-key-sectors-of-the-us-economy-98790

With AI and new technology a lot of jobs will disappear especially the Africans favourite occupations of taxi driver and bus driver. So we don’t need to start importing people to work in phantom jobs.

All Seeing Eye

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Are you prejudiced against Africans? Are you fearful of them?

Isn't that your whole point for posting here?

Did you live in 1980s Dublin? It was bloody dirty, let me tell you. Mounds of litter blew around the streets and a thick smog that would nearly choke ya hung like a blanket over west Dublin.

Dublin now is spotless compared to back then.

How can I be prejudiced against them. I had no opinions about them until they started moving into Balbriggan and I got see first hand how they have made an overwhelming contribution to the decline of the town. Yes I saw Dublin in the 80s what has that got to do with Africans in balbriggan.

hill16bhoy

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

But, what are the benefits from your perspective then? Please do define them as you see it.

Here you go.

There isn't even a debate about whether immigration benefits societies. It's categorical. It does.

To fail to see this, one has to be illiterate in economics.

Chris Johns: Benefits of immigration are staggering
MGI finds migrants added $6.7 trillion to world economy, and local jobs don’t suffer

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/chris-johns-benefits-of-immigration-are-staggering-1.2892712

Why migration to Ireland should be encouraged
Immigrants could be key in tackling the demographic crises faced by the State

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/why-migration-to-ireland-should-be-encouraged-1.3157810

Evidence shows immigration is a boon to economies

https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/evidence-shows-immigration-is-a-boon-to-economies-449076.html

Statistics Show Syrian Refugees Help Host Country Economies
By Erin Rubin ERIN RUBIN | May 12, 2017

https://nonprofitquarterly.org/2017/05/12/statistics-show-syrian-refugees-help-host-country-economies/

More migrant workers needed to offset ageing population, says IMF
Fund’s report advises advanced economies against greater controls on migration

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/09/get-more-migrant-workers-to-offset-strain-of-ageing-population-warns-imf

Busting Europe’s Migration Myths
The economic benefits are huge, and public opposition is softening.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-07-12/busting-europe-s-migration-myths

Why care about undocumented immigrants? For one thing, they’ve become vital to key sectors of the US economy
June 25, 2018 11.33am BST

https://theconversation.com/why-care-about-undocumented-immigrants-for-one-thing-theyve-become-vital-to-key-sectors-of-the-us-economy-98790

hill16bhoy

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Come on down and see for yourself. You can meet the gang and then go and look at the dirty neighbourhoods they have created. You seem fearful of Africans you must have a prejudice against them.

Are you prejudiced against Africans? Are you fearful of them?

Isn't that your whole point for posting here?

Did you live in 1980s Dublin? It was bloody dirty, let me tell you. Mounds of litter blew around the streets and a thick smog that would nearly choke ya hung like a blanket over west Dublin.

Dublin now is spotless compared to back then.

hill16bhoy

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

When’s all said and done it can be demonstrated that Balbriggan has been destroyed by Africans and that black gangs are causing havoc in north County Dublin. So that’s really the point of this thread. All the other stuff is noise created by those who don’t even live here.

Any chance you could show us some pictures of the ruins?

The way you tell it, it sounds like it must be like the North Strand in 1941?

All Seeing Eye

MFPM wrote: »

Again, he avoids actual discussion.

Tell me again why I need to go to Balbriggan?

It is interesting to note that there are actually no 'Black' majority housing estates in Balbriggan yet allegedly the alleged 'dirty' neighbourhoods are solely the fault/responsibility of people who are 'Black' - that's some ethnographic research you've done there, bravo!

The thread is about a balbriggan gang comprised of Africans and the havoc they are creating in NCD. I am right on point. As I said you can come down and see the gang for yourself then go and see some of the places they live in. They are not renowned for being tidy.

MFPM

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Come on down and see for yourself. You can meet the gang and then go and look at the dirty neighbourhoods they have created. You seem fearful of Africans you must have a prejudice against them.

Again, he avoids actual discussion.

Tell me again why I need to go to Balbriggan?

It is interesting to note that there are actually no 'Black' majority housing estates in Balbriggan yet allegedly the alleged 'dirty' neighbourhoods are solely the fault/responsibility of people who are 'Black' - that's some ethnographic research you've done there, bravo!

_Kaiser_

OK, seeing as you've provided some actual content here, I'll run through it...

MFPM wrote: »

Too lazy to make up your own, just thought you'd plagiarise? Maybe if you came up with your own questions, you could have made them somewhat less prejudiced.

I'll ignore this. Adds nothing

This would depend on how one defines 'benefits' wouldn't it? You also are making a sweeping generalisation about the status of the migrants. One thing we could do is contact countries that took in 'waves of unskilled' at times 'destitute' and overwhelming 'economic migrants' from Ireland.

OK, so the basis of your argument is "the Irish went everywhere" is it?

That's true.. but they went to work and fleeing actual starvation and real poverty. They also had no welfare net or liberal backers if they didn't work/contribute.

The world was a very different place then as well where manual labour was a valuable commodity. Not so much anymore, and not in our service/knowledge-driven economy in 2018.

But, what are the benefits from your perspective then? Please do define them as you see it.

The same place where we'll house indigenous Irish people, we just need a change of housing policy away from the dependence on the private market.

Of course if you wanted to make an immediate impact you could tell the French, Spanish, English, Dutch migrants takign jobs in google and driving up rents etc to **** off - what you think?

You're of course aware that we're in the midst of a housing crisis - not just in terms of available housing in suitable locations, but affordability.

So again, where do you propose to house these people? I'm assuming you're not actually serious about expelling legitimate migrants and residents in favour of these illegals who will be entirely welfare-dependent in at least the short to medium terms?

That would be taxation, perhaps we could stop giving tax breaks to REITs and increase corpo tax - what you think?

So you would propose increasing the corporation tax - the one tax our economy vitally depends on to retain those multinationals and FDI - to fund people who have no skills, no means to support themselves, and alongside that you want to give tax breaks to vulture funds (that are already ripping off renters) top house these people at presumably the taxpayer's expense at least twice over?

The same way we're trying to ensure the nuns cede control of our new National maternity hospital and in our 'secular' republic. Keep religion private and out of law making and state institutions - very easy and given that there has been no serious problems or issues with the migrants who have come to Ireland since the mid 90s, no reason to belive that will change, unless you know something I don't?

Over to you, I look forward to your response.

Everything up to "very easy" I completely agree with. Religion has caused untold damage in this country and we have finally moved away from it in the last 20 years - not entirely, but getting there.

However, the religion many of these people are bringing with them is a very different thing to the RCC. I'm sure you're aware of the problems in the UK, or mainland Europe, or the poor Irish lecturer who was murdered by a former student in France this week because he allegedly insulted the Prophet.

Apples and oranges.

MFPM

Stephen Gawking wrote: »

He must be taking a leaf out of ANTIFA/PBP/SF book because they're some of the most violent thugs out there.

Well that's a slam dunk argument isn't it....straight to the top of the class:)

All Seeing Eye

MFPM wrote: »

All seeing Eye repeats himself agian, with hyperbolic claptrap.

Come on down and see for yourself. You can meet the gang and then go and look at the dirty neighbourhoods they have created. You seem fearful of Africans you must have a prejudice against them.

Stephen Gawking

MFPM wrote: »

DS86DS wrote: »

**** all to do with Balbriggan does it? A traumatised couple talking about been attacked by the little sh¦ts IN BALBRIGGAN has nothing to do with Balbriggan?????

Alright I've had enough of the softie polite approach........When this lot gets deported, I would be thinking you lot would follow

I will personally shine my boots and kick your reddened arses into outer space where the lot of you belong

When you can't win with words resort to violence...how terribly fascistic of you!

He must be taking a leaf out of ANTIFA/PBP/SF book because they're some of the most violent thugs out there.

Fann Linn

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

When’s all said and done it can be demonstrated that Balbriggan has been destroyed by Africans and that black gangs are causing havoc in north County Dublin. So that’s really the point of this thread. All the other stuff is noise created by those who don’t even live here.

Wouldn't be the first time Balbriggan was destroyed by the Black & Tans.

MFPM

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

When’s all said and done it can be demonstrated that Balbriggan has been destroyed by Africans and that black gangs are causing havoc in north County Dublin. So that’s really the point of this thread. All the other stuff is noise created by those who don’t even live here.

All seeing Eye repeats himself again, with hyperbolic claptrap.

MFPM

Kivaro wrote: »

Reminder:

i.e only disuss with people you agree with.

MFPM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

At the risk of going against my own advice...

If you had actually read my posts you'll see that I called out elements of both "sides" previously but just for you I'll spell it out :

ENOUGH with the petty back and forth and childish insults - WHATEVER "side" you're on. It adds nothing to the discussion and completely invalidates any "point" you may have.

Happy?

I've yet to see anyone in favour "challenging" those with concerns or questions about this topic - the go to seems to be to insult, belittle, strawman, or pull the whataboutery cards out.

Hope this helps clarify that for you.

I was replying specifically to your last post not previous posts and my response is appropraote and accurate.

And to prove my point...I'll use your own words from your latest post...

I've yet to see anyone in favour "challenging" those with concerns or questions about this topic - the go to seems to be to insult, belittle, strawman, or pull the whataboutery cards out.

Again a one sided 'analysis.

BTW I have engaged at length with posters on this thread and in the main I get one line attempts at ripostes which deal with nothing.

enricoh

Of course if you wanted to make an immediate impact you could tell the French, Spanish, English, Dutch migrants takign jobs in google and driving up rents etc to **** off - what you think?

Yeah, tell highly skilled, highly paid and highly taxed workers to sod off yer no use to us. We are cornering the market in third world migrants instead, what a genius idea!
Keep em coming mpfm

All Seeing Eye

When’s all said and done it can be demonstrated that Balbriggan has been destroyed by Africans and that black gangs are causing havoc in north County Dublin. So that’s really the point of this thread. All the other stuff is noise created by those who don’t even live here.

Kivaro

Reminder:

But.... The best way to counter this is to ignore these people entirely. Don't engage, don't reply, don't quote.. Just continue the ACTUAL discussion at hand, which is certainly one that's needed in this country

_Kaiser_

At the risk of going against my own advice...

MFPM wrote: »

Another one who seems to have a problem with one 'side' but is perfectly OK with the threats of violence by posters on his side of the debate - nothing hypocritical at all about that...carry on...

If you had actually read my posts you'll see that I called out elements of both "sides" previously but just for you I'll spell it out :

ENOUGH with the petty back and forth and childish insults - WHATEVER "side" you're on. It adds nothing to the discussion and completely invalidates any "point" you may have.

Happy?

Yeah, discuss with people who only agree with you and run away when challenged :pac:

I've yet to see anyone in favour "challenging" those with concerns or questions about this topic - the go to seems to be to insult, belittle, strawman, or pull the whataboutery cards out.

Hope this helps clarify that for you.

MFPM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

That was myself and yep, not one of those who are in favour of this idea have given answers to the above since I posted it last night and again today.

Instead the personal attacks, baiting and obvious attempts to get the thread shut down have been stepped up significantly.

But.... The best way to counter this is to ignore these people entirely. Don't engage, don't reply, don't quote.. Just continue the ACTUAL discussion at hand, which is certainly one that's needed in this country.

Instead the personal attacks, baiting and obvious attempts to get the thread shut down have been stepped up significantly.

Another one who seems to have a problem with one 'side' but is perfectly OK with the threats of violence by posters on his side of the debate - nothing hypocritical at all about that...carry on...

But.... The best way to counter this is to ignore these people entirely. Don't engage, don't reply, don't quote.. Just continue the ACTUAL discussion at hand, which is certainly one that's needed in this country

Yeah, discuss with people who only agree with you and run away when challenged :pac:

MFPM

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

I'd say you MPFMs other personality trying to get this thread stopped.

You will insist on saying stupid things, you have to take full responsibility for that I'm afraid.

MFPM

enricoh wrote: »

Someone posted this earlier, not one lefty answered it, just pages of the usual rubbish, nuff said
- What are the benefits to Ireland of allowing waves of unskilled, destitute economic migrants from the 3rd world to enter our country?

- Where do you propose to house them and address those gaps?

- Who do you expect to pay for it and how?

- How do you propose to address cultural, religious and behavioural issues that may arise by virue of them now being in a modern, secular liberal and socially free country

Too lazy to make up your own, just thought you'd plagiarise? Maybe if you came up with your own questions, you could have made them somewhat less prejudiced.

What are the benefits to Ireland of allowing waves of unskilled, destitute economic migrants from the 3rd world to enter our country?

This would depend on how one defines 'benefits' wouldn't it? You also are making a sweeping generalisation about the status of the migrants. One thing we could do is contact countries that took in 'waves of unskilled' at times 'destitute' and overwhelming 'economic migrants' from Ireland.

Where do you propose to house them and address those gaps?

The same place where we'll house indigenous Irish people, we just need a change of housing policy away from the dependence on the private market.

Of course if you wanted to make an immediate impact you could tell the French, Spanish, English, Dutch migrants takign jobs in google and driving up rents etc to **** off - what you think?

Who do you expect to pay for it and how?

That would be taxation, perhaps we could stop giving tax breaks to REITs and increase corpo tax - what you think?

How do you propose to address cultural, religious and behavioural issues that may arise by virue of them now being in a modern, secular liberal and socially free country

The same way we're trying to ensure the nuns cede control of our new National maternity hospital and in our 'secular' republic. Keep religion private and out of law making and state institutions - very easy and given that there has been no serious problems or issues with the migrants who have come to Ireland since the mid 90s, no reason to belive that will change, unless you know something I don't?

Over to you, I look forward to your response.

_Kaiser_

enricoh wrote: »

Someone posted this earlier, not one lefty answered it, just pages of the usual rubbish, nuff said
- What are the benefits to Ireland of allowing waves of unskilled, destitute economic migrants from the 3rd world to enter our country?

- Where do you propose to house them and address those gaps?

- Who do you expect to pay for it and how?

- How do you propose to address cultural, religious and behavioural issues that may arise by virue of them now being in a modern, secular liberal and socially free country

That was myself and yep, not one of those who are in favour of this idea have given answers to the above since I posted it last night and again today.

Instead the personal attacks, baiting and obvious attempts to get the thread shut down have been stepped up significantly.

But.... The best way to counter this is to ignore these people entirely. Don't engage, don't reply, don't quote.. Just continue the ACTUAL discussion at hand, which is certainly one that's needed in this country.