Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

I've seen a few Conservative politician state that there will be a last minute fudge. David Davies said that these things always go to the eleventh hour. So maybe on the 28th of March, EU & UK officials will get together and sort out the actual deal, and what we're in now is just an extended period of playacting.

....or maybe not....

According to the legal doc 2 different customs unions, 1 for the north, the other for the rest of the UK, with NI treating the rest of the UK as a 3rd country. So the DUP will be raging about that, not that it should be a surprise anyway.

Hurrache wrote: »

So the DUP will be raging about that, not that it should be a surprise anyway.

That scene in Scanners comes to mind.

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1070288151208443904

That alone would be enough to kill the WA.

VinLieger

briany wrote: »

I've seen a few Conservative politician state that there will be a last minute fudge. David Davies said that these things always go to the eleventh hour. So maybe on the 28th of March, EU & UK officials will get together and sort out the actual deal, and what we're in now is just an extended period of playacting.

....or maybe not....

Does anyone bar the hardcore brexiteer's seriously still believes DD's fantasist claims after he's been proven to be wrong or lied about literally everything since this farce began?

Professor Moriarty

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1070288151208443904

That alone would be enough to kill the WA.

The DUP will go ballistic.

LeinsterDub wrote: »

That alone would be enough to kill the WA.

Absolutely.

seamus

DOCARCH wrote: »

That's one possible (outside) reason why TM may just get the WA past the post!

Brexiteers may soon realise that any from of Brexit (i.e the one on offer/on the table) is better than the looming/increasing risk of no Brexit at all!

If the ECJ does go with the extraordinary declaration that A50 notification can be withdrawn unilaterally, then I can definitely see Brexiteers panicking and taking a deal at almost any cost.

Because without a deal, the UK would have no good reason not to cancel Brexit beyond, "we said we wouldn't".

josip

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

The DUP will go ballistic.

They'd probably already been leaked a copy which is why they voted against TM yesterday claiming she broke their agreement first.

Panrich

Para 21 puts an interesting spin on how we may pressure the EU to end the temporary backstop. How we would go about that is not clear.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/761852/05_December-_EU_Exit_Attorney_General_s_legal_advice_to_Cabinet_on_the_Withdrawal_Agreement_and_the_Protocol_on_Ireland-Northern_Ireland.pdf

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1070291061988302853

So unlike the EU which they can leave tomorrow if they wished . There is no legal way to leave the backstop which is the point. They will be in the backstop forever basically. This is a terrible deal for the UK but sure we all knew this

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1070288254430253056

And now the moronic ideas are floating again. How about a backstop that isn't a backstop!

robinph

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1070288254430253056

And now the moronic ideas are floating again. How about a backstop that isn't a backstop!

But what status are they then locked into if they don't agree on the backstop? In the event of that vote happening it would be a choice of option A being the backstop or option B the backstop.

Hermy

tuxy wrote: »

It was not known if article 50 could be revoked. We now know that it can.
It would take another referendum for it to happen though.

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

May has been driving the Brexit bus towards the cliff, preferring to stay in the drivers seat than admit it's madness and let someone else drive. But now the cliff is getting very close.
MPs have spent the last 2 years cheering and singing and fighting at the back of the bus, but now that they see the drop, they don't like the look of it.
So now some are looking for the Brexit Emergency Exit.

listermint wrote: »

The mandate is simple the brexit that was on the table is not deliverable .
What is deliverable has no mandate.
Can't make it any simpler.
There is no mandate for brexit at all costs. None. Never was

Thanks for the replies.

So they can't have the Brexit they want and they don't want the Brexit they've been offered.
What happens next?
No Brexit?

A la Monty Python I'm waiting for someone to stand up and say "Stop that. It's silly!" but I just don't think it's going to happen.

Enzokk

briany wrote: »

I've seen a few Conservative politician state that there will be a last minute fudge. David Davies said that these things always go to the eleventh hour. So maybe on the 28th of March, EU & UK officials will get together and sort out the actual deal, and what we're in now is just an extended period of playacting.

....or maybe not....

That is most definitely a thread of thought from the UK, that the EU will always get a deal at the last minute. The only problem with this is that it needs to go through the various votes and confirmations in the EU as well so they could agree a deal on the 28th March but there is no way to get it through all the EU processes that it needs to pass. The deadline is not in March but sometime soon so the time for a new deal is now.

Panrich wrote: »

Para 21 puts an interesting spin on how we may pressure the EU to end the temporary backstop. How we would go about that is not clear.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/761852/05_December-_EU_Exit_Attorney_General_s_legal_advice_to_Cabinet_on_the_Withdrawal_Agreement_and_the_Protocol_on_Ireland-Northern_Ireland.pdf

But NI will have different customs and regulations rules than the UK so I don't see how it is an advantage over us, who will be in the same customs union and single market (effectively) as us. So what benefit will they have over us?

Captain Obvious

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1070288254430253056

And now the moronic ideas are floating again. How about a backstop that isn't a backstop!

Is that not like saying to the EU that we agree to this fundamental term but reserve the right to ignore it?

Enzokk wrote: »

That is most definitely a thread of thought from the UK, that the EU will always get a deal at the last minute. The only problem with this is that it needs to go through the various votes and confirmations in the EU as well so they could agree a deal on the 28th March but there is no way to get it through all the EU processes that it needs to pass. The deadline is not in March but sometime soon so the time for a new deal is now.

Davies et al probably believes that the EU would throw in a quickie extension in order to get the t's crossed and the i's dotted.

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Is that not like saying to the EU that we agree to this fundamental term but reserve the right to ignore it?

It's the UK continually negotiating with itself. "Sure who cares what the EU will say we'll make up our minds and tell em how it is!"

Kate Hoey on Sky News flatly accusing the Irish government of using the backstop as a way of achieving a United Ireland.

RobertKK

briany wrote: »

Kate Hoey on Sky News flatly accusing the Irish government of using the backstop as a way of achieving a United Ireland.

I saw that, it is like we are Machiavellian in Ireland and we made them have their stupid referendum with her conspiracy being the end goal.
Kate Hoey is intellectually challenged on the issue of NI, even if she was born there...

briany wrote: »

Kate Hoey on Sky News flatly accusing the Irish government of using the backstop as a way of achieving a United Ireland.

I caught her earlier saying something along the lines that the clause in the withdrawal agreement means that NI and their customs union will be administered by Ireland.

Professor Moriarty

briany wrote: »

Kate Hoey on Sky News flatly accusing the Irish government of using the backstop as a way of achieving a United Ireland.

I take anything Hoey says with a pinch of salt.

LeinsterDub wrote: »

And now the moronic ideas are floating again. How about a backstop that isn't a backstop!

And it pretty much means they want to renege on the Withdrawal Agreement that was just agreed with the EU. So if they add this, they'll essentially be voting on an agreement that's not the one agreed with the EU. It'll be pointless.