Deleted User wrote: » Fred performances when he has played pour cold water on the poor movement theory tbh, with good quick simple passing and movement he controls the tempo when he plays, but Pogba takes too much out of the ball constantly and is allergic to simple quick passing it seems
Nuts102 wrote: » When Herrera and Fred play we do move the ball much quicker. Matic and Fellaini are not quick passers and Pogba takes way to much time on the ball.
Rayne Wooney wrote: » I couldn’t have put it better myself, I think there is misplaced fixation on Mourinho from a large part of the fan base just because of the character he is. Unfortunately it’ll take yet another manager failing before they start to see, I’ll be behind the next manager but it’ll take Fergie 2.0 and a massive change at board level to fix this an we will not be so lucky.
Claude Burgundy wrote: » "we'll finish above Everton"....................wow, just wow. United's targets have gone from winning the Champions League, to winning the Premier League, to qualifying for the Champions League, to finishing above Everton, all in 10 years. The ambition is truly overwhelming...
yourdeadwright wrote: » It should happen but United under the Glazer's are all about the stock markets , Pogba is basically a top brand as instead of a top footballer so it ain't going to happen,
Your Airbag wrote: » Josourinho is restricting Manchester United, claims Paul Pogba [Paul Hirst, The Times] Looks like we got a Mexican standoff on our hands. Take it with a pinch of salt as it says "Pogba is thought to have responded to Mourinho" and I'm not sure how reliable Hirst is for inside scoops. This season is just getting messy now and stressful. It wasn't this divided under Moyes and LVG.
Drumpot wrote: » I never said I approved of the manner in which Jose trys to motivate or manage players. You are welcome to go through my posts to find me saying that. You guys seem to confuse not presuming the worst on everything on Jose as absolving him of responsibility for his actions. You know what goes on behind closed doors no more then I do, the difference is how we interpret what little information we get.I have no problem with Pogba talking these things over with the manager either, but thats not what happened is it ? Pogba was whinging in interviews for a month complaining after every game ? How is that progressive or calm ? He looked for a public spat with the manager and when Jose finally responded (he shouldn't have) some people ignored what Pogba had been doing and jumped to "aha, see Jose is a bad manager". In terms of character, Jose is correct. The amount of times people agree wit what Jose says and then turn it against him in a "you cant say that" is quite remarkable. Feeds into the weak snowflake feel of this squad. A lot of the united squad has shown a lack of character long before Jose joined so why are people upset with Jose shaking things up?. I don't agree in him making it public but that's what he has always done and its worked for him so what the f**k do I or anybody hear know?. People constantly focusing on it and saying we don't like it doesn't make him a bad manager , its just means we don't approve of his techniques. Jose doesn't make it easy for players, hes a hard manager to work for but if players respond they come out better for it. That's why Hazzard said hes the best coach and why Deshamps said to to Pogba that Jose will make him a better player . . As unpopular as this is, I would be happy to see the back of Pogba in January. Sends a massive signal to the squad that any challenge to a manager wont be tolerated. Whether we get a new manager or not, hes a player who wont perform when, to use his own words, hes not happy. He has not been good enough for united on or off field to have the authority to challenge the manager.
TheDoc wrote: » I have never, EVER come across a team that has as many dressing room leaks as ours. Its so abundantly clear this is a disgrace. Manager using his mouth piece to shift blame from him. And players then feeling the need to respond back.
Your Airbag wrote: » You said at least he's going down fighting. Thats hardly disapproval now is it? You second point, well you try to twist things nicely here. I quoted the exact part of the article where it said Pogba spoke calmly in the dressing room after the game. So I'm clearly talking about this situation in isolation and not what happened before. I criticized Pogba earlier in the season for speaking to the press also. If your going to reply try do so by replying to what was actually said. Just for context, your glad to see Jose go down swinging. Just to be clear and unbiased to what your advocating here is a failing manager who is now burning his bridges and insulting everyone on his way out the door because he has done a terrible job. The sad thing is that these are the very reasons three years ago I was totally opposed to Jose taking over. It was all so predictable, this is what he does, he is toxic at times and has no issue embarrassing a club.
Mitch Connor wrote: » IMO that is cause Pogba is looking to create, Herrera and Fred are looking to move it on.
Your Airbag wrote: » Last season at Chelsea Jose had issues with leaks, he called the team "disgraceful" in one of this final interviews before sacking. At Madrid he had leaks also. Iniesta gave an interview recently where he talked about the damage the Spanish national team suffered as a result of Jose being the Madrid manager. Jose apparently wanted his "us vs them" thing going on and forbid contact. When the players saw it was hurting them internationally they tried to make up for it, something like a whatsapp group or something. Jose found out about it and put an end to it. Casillas fell out with him as it was believed but never prove he was the leak as he had a tv reporter girlfriend. Casillas is on record saying his biggest regret is not confronting Jose for his treatment, even recently "Jose claimed Iker Casillas was behind a campaign pushing for David de Gea to be dropped by Spain as he escalated his war of words with the former Real Madrid goalkeeper" This kind of stuff comes hand in hand with Jose. Some of those El Classicos were some of the most bitter. Jose stuck his finger in Tito's eye ffs. He does not accept defeat well. This is how he operates where ever he goes and is exactly why I never wanted him as manager.
Deleted User wrote: » Fred key passes per game is 1 pogbas is 1.4, Pogba averages 60.5 passes per game to Freds 50.3 so they are creating chances per pass at near the same rate and Fred losses the ball an awful lot less. If Pogba took a leaf out of his book to pass it off quickly and move instead of taking too much out of it we and he would be performing better.
Drumpot wrote: » Yes, I am glad that Jose is going down fighting because it exposes the kind of players we have. What did we learn from Moyes, undermined from the start by the squad, who was very polite about his demise. Its like you want to keep the squads issues under wraps. As I said, I don't condone Jose's methods but I do think we learn more from his public spat then we do if he keeps his mouth shut and I am glad he's shaken things up even if I don't like the way he is doing it. He may actually force the hand of the owners/Woodward to actually make some meaningful changes in the ways they run the footballing side of things. I didn't twist anything at all. You cant make a statement of Pogba being all calm about his concerns at the club and ignore what he has been doing publicly for sometime. You are suggesting Pogba is some innocent lad just expressing concerns privately to the coach, but he didn't keep it private. You may prefer to just focus on that element but that doesn't change the fact that Pogba has been washing his dirty linen in public for sometime at this stage. Its ironic that Pogba seems to take about as much responsibility for his performances as you guys accuse Jose of taking for the state of the club.
Nalz wrote: » He's looking to buy the socks and shorts for this kit for his kid. He's tried the megastore online but no joy. He got the jersey though. Age 11-12 Any help greatly appreciated! Thanks
Drumpot wrote: » Agreed and that in itself sends a message to the squad on what the club values right now. Chelsea players down tools every 3 seasons but at least they win top honours. How can Chelsea win trophies with all different kind of managers and our fans are content with identifying our managers as our problem ? Is David Moyes a worse coach then Di Matteo who won the champions league ? Is Jose worse then Avram Grant who nearly won the league and champions league double ? Hell look at Pelligrini or Mancini at City, even City's setup lends itself to success no matter who the coach is, its because both clubs are setup to help the first team thrive. The high coach turnover works for these clubs cause they know what they are doing and they don't care about signing big names or marketable players. How can any united fan , whether they want Jose out or not, not be extremely concerned with the manner in which the clubs resources are being used ? How can any fan not be concerned or suspect that our owners are not buying all players specifically for the team/manager? How can any United fan not see there is no obvious competent footballing strategy at the club? The one constant thing during this poor period for United is the owners taking a more hands on role in the footballing side of things by making Woodward the CEO. These things don't get sorted by Jose being sacked!
damowill wrote: » There is a growing discontent among United fans and they lay blame at the Managers door. But there is a bigger picture that they are choosing to ignore. Yes Jose has spent £300m plus in his tenure. However i'd argue that we needed to spend double this. Yes his signings have not lived up to their billing. But you get what you pay for in this new transfer market. Apart from a few marquee signings for big money, much of our spending has been frugal. This summer we finally went into the market for a right back. We signed Diogo Dalot, a 19 year old costing a mere £19million. I think every United fan is in agreement that Young & Valencia have needed replacing for a long time. never fullbacks and long past their sell by date but why did it take us so long to replace them? And when we did why did we buy a guy nobody had heard of, but perhaps knew he had potential? Compare to Man City a couple of years back, Zabaleta, Clichy & Kolarov were shipped out at the age of 31. And Replaced, not by a teenager, but proven internationals for huge money: Benjamin Mendy £55m, Kyle Walker £50m and Danillo £28m. Take a look at our problems in defence, we still have Smalling & Jones on the books, and again other clubs would have been ruthless in shipping them out. United buy Bailly & Lindelof for £30 odd million. City buy Stones for £55m, Laporte for £57, Liverpool buy Van Dijk for £75m. Yes Jose bought these players, and his transfer record is appaling. But in todays world you get what you pay for. We have been less frugal in buying attacking players. Marquee signings that sell jerseys and appease the fans somewhat. Pogba, Sancez and Lukaku and before them Di Maria and Falcao. You'd wonder were the former Jose signings or part of Ed Woodwards vanity project! Matic and Fred are also proving unsuccessful and for sure these are Jose's signings so he can soley take the hit. In attack, we have needed far more investment. Lukaku is our only striker. In Years gone by we had 3-4 strikers. Cole, Yorke, Sheringham, Solskjaer. Rooney, Ronaldo, Berbatov, Tevez. Van Persie, Hernanez, Rooney, Welbeck. Today we have Lukaku, aided by Rashford & Martial who are both wingers come forwards. As a whole, we are not competing with City and are miles behind where we should be. If and when Jose is replaced, fans might see an improvement in style of football but unless he gets £500m to spend we will only see a small improvement in honours & league position.
Your Airbag wrote: » No I didn't, your lying. I said earlier in the season the Jose was right to strip Pogba of the captaincy after he said something like "yes we should got forward more as the OT crowd say" after they chanted "attack attack attack". I was on Joes's side there and said it was not right for Pogba to undermine him. This time I said Pogba is well with in his rights to calmly express his frustration in the DRESING room after a bad result where the manager calls him a VIRUS in front of the squad. So I took two different situations, judged them individually and made different judgements both for and against Pogba/Jose. I am not painting a picture of Pogba as some "innocent lad". Your just to biased and stubborn to acknowledge it.
TheDoc wrote: » It really isn't. You only have to look at Arsenal, or Everton, to see what can be achieved quickly with a proper manager with a plan, idea, proper authority and moves to play in a way the players will enjoy. Talking wider about the clubs issues are correct and valid, but no one should kid themselves that a) Jose is not the primary and majority share of the issue at the club b) A proper managerial appointment will bring positive vibes and progress back at the club quickly.
Cantona's Collars wrote: » Try the online jersey stores thread. Use parcel motel if ordering as you'll have some hope of getting stuff before March. An post don't give a sh1te about stuff coming in from Asia at this time of year, it's left until last to be sorted.
Nalz wrote: » He needs it for Xmas. :-/
damowill wrote: » In attack, we have needed far more investment. Lukaku is our only striker. In Years gone by we had 3-4 strikers. Cole, Yorke, Sheringham, Solskjaer. Rooney, Ronaldo, Berbatov, Tevez. Van Persie, Hernanez, Rooney, Welbeck.Today we have Lukaku, aided by Rashford & Martial who are both wingers come forwards. As a whole, we are not competing with City and are miles behind where we should be. If and when Jose is replaced, fans might see an improvement in style of football but unless he gets £500m to spend we will only see a small improvement in honours & league position.
Econ__ wrote: » United’s wage & transfer expenditure over the last 5 years has been on par with City’s, and much higher than that of Chelsea, Spurs & Liverpool. Your argument is muddled. You seem to be arguing that United need to spend more AND spend it better. I agree with the latter but the former is a nonsense IMO.
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