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Demise of word ‘those’

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Has anyone noticed that an awful lot of people of all ages groups and social classes no longer or rarely use the word ‘those’......?

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Deebles McBeebles

I believe them bones are me
Some say we're born into the grave

I feel so alone
Gonna end up a big old pile of them bones

Finally, the proof no one wanted that Jerry Cantrell is an idiot!

Boom_Bap

What are THOSE

RIP to the what is THOSE guy that died last week.

Badly Drunk Boy

farmchoice wrote: »

recently a new and very annoying verbal tick has crept into nearly every conversation/interview you hear on the radio and the television.
the interviewer will ask a question and the interviewee will begin their reply with the word....so.
Q. where are you from?
A. So, i was born in Mayo.

Q. why did you murder them all.
A. so, they were annoying me a lot.

its very very annoying.

Correct. It's an abomination!

tuxy wrote: »

On the plus side I think the misuse of the word literally is on the way out. That trend didn't last as long as I expected.

I think it's still misused fairly regularly. To make it worse, some dictionaries are now allowing the figurative (incorrect) use of 'literally'! :mad:

Also, with regard to this, I refuse to entertain the people who say "But languages evolve!'. No, the English language is devolving at the moment.

Bigbagofcans

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

No, the English language is devolving at the moment.

And people's spellings are getting worse. You go on Facebook (and Boards for that matter) and some posters have atrocious spelling. I skip posts with bad spelling because they hurt my eyes

railer201

Demise is anudder one of dem posh words.

shootermacg

I mean wtf is "amn't"? "I'm not" is the correct term. Only retarded Dubliners currently use it (by that I mean all Dubliners), but god help us if it spreads!

Standman

Another annoying one: using "an" before a word beginning with h, where the h isn't silent.

Sometimes the cunts even make the h silent just to justify their idiotic use of "an", e.g. "an 'istoric event."

Fuck right off with that.

Church on Tuesday

LLMMLL wrote: »

There is no standard. There is nothing inherently wrong with most of the examples given in the thread.

Well if we believe that there is no standard, then no real standard will be maintained. What is the yardstick then?

I'm sorry but I can't take someone seriously who can't be bothered to use correct grammar and spell a word properly, we all make grammatical mistakes from time to time but there is no real excuse.

Same for txt spk. If adults want to communicate the written word like children then fair enough but let's be honest, it really doesn't give off a great impression.

Jakey Rolling

On my car service report today - "Tyre Thread Dept"...

Literally maked my eyes bleed! Am I been unreasonable to expect proper grammer and spelling???

;-)

Bigbagofcans

Jakey Rolling wrote: »

On my car service report today - "Tyre Thread Dept"...

Literally maked my eyes bleed! Am I been unreasonable to expect proper grammer and spelling???

;-)

Was that winky face for 'grammar'?

LLMMLL

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Well if we believe that there is no standard, then no real standard will be maintained. What is the yardstick then?

I'm sorry but I can't take someone seriously who can't be bothered to use correct grammar and spell a word properly, we all make grammatical mistakes from time to time but there is no real excuse.

Same for txt spk. If adults want to communicate the written word like children then fair enough but let's be honest, it really doesn't give off a great impression.

The yardstick is the same as it has always been. The grammar "rules" stored in your brain, and the general similarities To the "rules" people in your social group have stored in their brains that allow you to understand each other.

We don't all really make grammatical mistakes. People with brain damage in certain areas make genuine mistakes. People who get distracted halfway through a sentence sometimes make genuine mistakes.

But the vast majority of what people on this thread are classing as mistakes are perfectly grammatical constructions that they just happen to not use themselves.

topper75

Leroy42 wrote: »

A language that evolves and changes over time.

Evolution doesn't preserve screw ups. I fear you are merely trying to make excuses for stupidity with that take.

If I grew a third arm out the middle of my back - that is a screw up, not evolution.

If somebody writes I seen instead of I saw (or I've seen), likewise.

There are thousands and thousands of fine established terms and sound grammatical conventions there already that people can use for expression.

If that is not enough material for creativity - the failure is yours and not the language's.

topper75

Jakey Rolling wrote: »

On my car service report today - "Tyre Thread Dept"...

Literally maked my eyes bleed! Am I been unreasonable to expect proper grammer and spelling???

;-)

Was that phrase printed or handwritten?

Church on Tuesday

LLMMLL wrote: »

The yardstick is the same as it has always been. The grammar "rules" stored in your brain, and the general similarities To the "rules" people in your social group have stored in their brains that allow you to understand each other.

We don't all really make grammatical mistakes. People with brain damage in certain areas make genuine mistakes. People who get distracted halfway through a sentence sometimes make genuine mistakes.

But the vast majority of what people on this thread are classing as mistakes are perfectly grammatical constructions that they just happen to not use themselves.

Sardonicat

Using "alternate" instead of "alternative ". They don't even mean the same thing.
"Normalcy" seems to have replaced "normality". Is it even after word?
"Revert" instead of "reply", again it doesn't even make sense to say "revert back to you" in correspondence.

These aren't grammatical errors either. They're examples of a lack of basic comprehension of English.

crossman47

Sardonicat wrote: »

Using "alternate" instead of "alternative ". They don't even mean the same thing.
"Normalcy" seems to have replaced "normality". Is it even after word?
"Revert" instead of "reply", again it doesn't even make sense to say "revert back to you" in correspondence.

These aren't grammatical errors either. They're examples of a lack of basic comprehension of English.

Using impact as a verb i.e. "impacted on" instead of "had an impact on"

Jakey Rolling

topper75 wrote: »

Jakey Rolling wrote: »

On my car service report today - "Tyre Thread Dept"...

Literally maked my eyes bleed! Am I been unreasonable to expect proper grammer and spelling???

;-)

Was that phrase printed or handwritten?

Printed unfortunately, on Skidas standard service form. Would have laughed it off otherwise.

Jakey Rolling

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

Jakey Rolling wrote: »

On my car service report today - "Tyre Thread Dept"...

Literally maked my eyes bleed! Am I been unreasonable to expect proper grammer and spelling???

;-)

Was that winky face for 'grammar'?

Well spotted, 1 out of 3 ain't bad !

Zorya

I am working on a theory (in my head, I mean - don't fret, I will not be forcing it upon the world at large) that language is devolving, vocabulary is being squeezed and illiteracy is growing because of....TYPING. Yes! You heard it here first.

Typing is not the same as writing. The practise of forming cursive script stimulates different and far more parts of the brain than does typing. Children are not spending anywhere near as long practising cursive handwriting, they are typing, clicking, scrolling etc., learning in digital what the brain has learned in analogue for thousands of years.

Think of the elder tracing letters in the sand for the child to learn. The child traces the symbols and repeats again and again, and the very physical movement of forming the letters with the body is a brain training.

The ability to form letters and words, and thereafter coherent sentences, I believe is connected to the ability to think deeply. Thus loss of language is a worrisome aspect of modern life.

Anyway, I won't expand further, but this is my working thesis for the moment. I have returned to writing by hand, pen and paper, for a little while every day. It helps my spelling and I believe maintains parts of the brain that would otherwise atrophy.

Ink and Think - they are not etymologically connected but somehow this coincidence of sound is perhaps symbolical

Harry Palmr

crossman47 wrote: »

Using impact as a verb i.e. "impacted on" instead of "had an impact on"

Came here for this, the death of effect and the mutation of impact from meaning force or marked effect to every type of effect you can imagine.

Yer Da sells Avon

Deleted User wrote: »

Some people can't distinguish the to, which is strange too be honest.

Their are alot of idiots out they're.

Harry Palmr

It's only a matter of time before where, wear and we're are all interchangeable.

Oh and what about that weird Irish thing of the dropped "to" as in "what happen you?"

Also death of tremendous.

Dr_serious2

'You guys' is ridiculous. American wannabes.

Say you, yous, ye, you lot or anything else.

[Deleted User]

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Would of instead of would have.

Edit: Dammit Ursus

If I had to choose, I would have course choose this as the most annoying grammatical error.

Junkyard Tom

Zorya wrote: »

I am working on a theory (in my head, I mean - don't fret, I will not be forcing it upon the world at large) that language is devolving, vocabulary is being squeezed and illiteracy is growing because of....TYPING. Yes! You heard it here first. )

FAO: Zorya.

Back in the day when telegrams were the only way of communicating over long distances people were charged by the number of words so a form of code that compressed common phrases developed.

When SMS (short message service) came along the same need for brevity was required to keep within the allotted characters for one message, as well as curtailing cost.

On a side note, what a gift text messages, and subsequent smartphone development, must have been for people coping with deafness/hard-of-hearing and indeed people with speech problems.

Franz Von Peppercorn

farmchoice wrote: »

recently a new and very annoying verbal tick has crept into nearly every conversation/interview you hear on the radio and the television.
the interviewer will ask a question and the interviewee will begin their reply with the word....so.
Q. where are you from?
A. So, i was born in Mayo.

Q. why did you murder them all.
A. so, they were annoying me a lot.

its very very annoying.

It’s annoying that people think it’s new.

Franz Von Peppercorn

LLMMLL wrote: »

There is no standard. There is nothing inherently wrong with most of the examples given in the thread.

And most aren’t new either. Anybody who thinks that youz is new in Dublin has been living in a bubble.

On the other hand “Ye” is dying out, used to be common in Munster. Which is a pity. Most of the issues here are not grammatical, sometimes just spelling (would of rather than would’ve) or been around a long time. None of it is an example of increasing illiteracy

I do dislike ahead of rather than before,and revert rather than reply though. So agree with that. The first is grammatical though. The second is common with non native speakers.

Zorya

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

FAO: Zorya.

The advent of text messaging/email sure was a big help for deaf people... and for people like me who absolutely DETEST talking on phones.

These technologies may not, however, have been great for the language as a whole. A study done in 2012 studied digitised books from 1800 - 2008, and found that word death rate has increased dramatically and that word birth rate has decreased ''drastically'' in the past 10 to 20 years. This in spite of far more new things being invented that require names. They speculate the use of spell check etc has eliminated superfluous words, but also admit texting and emailing curtails vocabulary.

https://phys.org/news/2012-03-words-dying-added-languages-digital.html
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep00313