kuro68k wrote: » The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.
sink wrote: » Great video by Stephen Fry. Pitty it wasn't released 2 1/2 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYonSZ8s3_o
An Ciarraioch wrote: » Gove now backing the Norway option:
Zubeneschamali wrote: » Eh, no, nobody believes that, not even him. No Deal Brexit is bad for the EU, so of course they will do what it takes to avoid it.
Infini wrote: » No deal is bad for everyone but the question in this regard is if the British Government is truly incompetent enough to actually crashout wether by choice or accident. The question really being asked is are they really going to go "full retard" and cause such a self defeating mess or will the HoC actually come to its senses and realise remaing is the only option and bring an end to this farce.
tuxy wrote: » So things have changed since the days of the opium wars?
LeinsterDub wrote: » https://twitter.com/SteveBarclay/status/1068533485470736384 This MP some how thinks the UK are going to get a better deal than the SM and the CU while being outside the EU.
Calina wrote: » The problem, it seems to me is that the UK have yet to work out that wanting stuff in no way guarantees they will get it. Additionally, the duty of avoiding a crash out Brexit falls on UK shoulders, not EU.
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lawred2 wrote: » Asif the Brexiteering sort would have paid a blind bit of notice to what Stephen Fry had to say
RobMc59 wrote: » I think the penny is finally beginning to drop that you can't always get what you want-the only problem is I believe it's also dawning on people that remaining is a better option and the UK isn't as important in the world as it thinks-so a no to the TM deal will hopefully mean remaining as the whole country(minus the torys and fat cats)see the folly of a no deal brexit imo.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » I'm not sure that the UK remaining is in the EU's best interests at this stage. A large rump of MPs and voters have hardened their Brexiteer positions and have become emboldened. They will continue to pick away the UK's membership and frustrate progress for the EU as a whole. An ordered untying would be better for long term cohesion within the EU.
prawnsambo wrote: » The real danger for the UK leaving with a hard brexit or even a soft one transitioning to a full exit is the prospect of what the vultures currently circling would do with the country. There are clear indications that the NHS would be up for sale, that standards wouldn't as much slip as be burned and that the country would become a tax haven/money laundering pit. There are upsides, but not ones that the vast majority of the population would like.
Water John wrote: » Not sure if Brexiteer MPs are emboldened. They seem to be scattering. Mogg and Baker can't get 48 votes, Fox, Hunt and Gove running off in different directions, either supporting TM or looking at Norway style Deals. There may be plenty angry people but no leaders anymore. The large Tory group that won't support TM's Deal are either Remainers or soft Brexit.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » That's their problem. An orderly, long transition would give Ireland time to find new markets and to steal some of the UK's service industry. It would be great if the UK stayed and became committed to the cause but I can't see that happening. If they stay, they will continue to cause trouble.
Calina wrote: » I tend to agree here. Even in the remain lobby there is still an attitude of Britain's desires being right/best. They remain apart, they will fix the EU problems but they are still other. Tye idea of shared responsibility/mutual support has not got through. It is still Britain and the EU not the EU. That the EU is not perfect but Britain will fix it. In many respects this is not any more helpful than the Brexit position. It seems to me a period of reflection within the UK is still called for.
Water John wrote: » TM might swivel to a 2nd Ref after losing her HoC vote. She'd use a public vote for her Deal to persuade the MPs to vote for it.
Water John wrote: » If there are indications of UK taking a step closer to the EU than TM's Deal, an Ext of Art 50 is available.
Water John wrote: » A few months is all that is needed to hold a Ref or rework the negotiations with UK staying in the CU. All the options come into play after Dec 11th.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » I think if there was to be a second referendum then Remain would win. However, that won't end division nor stop the UK causing trouble in the future. The question the other 27 need to ask themselves is it now time to cast them adrift.
RobMc59 wrote: » I hope your wrong regarding the UK causing trouble if they remain-the old saying "you don't realise what you've got till its gone"would hopefully be the UK attitude-also,the EU has behaved impeccably in all this despite having to deal with a UK unwilling or unable to face facts that the days of old have gone-a good side effect of Brexit(whichever way it goes)will be to show other restless countries that the grass isn't always greener.
