kuro68k wrote: » The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.
Econ__ wrote: » CelticRambler wrote: » The backstop is still NI-specific; the EU has agreed to allow the NI-friendly terms of the transition to apply to the whole of the UK. I don't understand what you mean here RE transition. The backstop has two elements. NI specific: Single market (for goods), The EU VAT regime and a full Customs Union. UK-wide: Bare bones Customs Union. FWIW, the backstop as is in the WA is very unlikely to ever come into effect because the UK-wide bare bones Customs Union is intolerably bad for the UK (they may as well flesh out a full Customs Union in the future relationship talks with the EU instead). It's designed for the UK to make a choice post 2019: Canada style FTA and modify the backstop to make it entirely NI specific, opt for a full Customs Union with the EU, or pursue a Norway+ deal. Essentially, this agreement locks Northern Ireland into the EU's customs & regulatory sphere and allows the UK to kick the can down the road and delay the difficult decisions about the future relationship with the EU for another couple of years. It's the NI specific backstop that the EU/Ireland were looking for all along via the backdoor. It's quite clever (and incidentally, an FT journalist suggested this route in July).
CelticRambler wrote: » The backstop is still NI-specific; the EU has agreed to allow the NI-friendly terms of the transition to apply to the whole of the UK.
Enzokk wrote: » What are they supposed to do though? They obviously feel that right now they cannot come out and state they want to ignore the referendum result. This is due to their leader being a euro skeptic and their MPs are probably getting noise from their constituents about Brexit as well. They are in opposition and they should oppose the government. They are not there to make it easy for the Tories to stay in power. Unfortunately the path that is best for the country is no Brexit but that is very difficult to support for either parties. This doesn't make it right, just the way it is. In saying all those things in their defence, they have been useless in opposition even with the open goal the Tories have been giving to them. This is due to their leader who seems to be in favour of leaving the EU so he is happy to get his cake and eat it as well. They could leave and he could be leader as well. Just another politician who will screw his voters for his own personal goals.
Tell me how wrote: » It's. f*cking. nonsense. They suggested in the last week or so that there was time for a GE and for them to renegotiate with the EU before the 29th of March. It's like telling a child that if they go to sleep now they can get up in an hour and watch television. It's embarrassing to be using such vacuous tactics.
charlie14 wrote: » I`m not sure how much nonsense it is. Looks more like Labour getting their spoke in early with an eye to a GE. Vote us in and we can get this deal. Nonsense in that regard, but not for what I suspect is the true reasoning behind it
Tell me how wrote: » They are woefully inadequate when you see the nonsense they have been coming out today. Their Twitter account posted the following earlier.https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1066708587857117185 The sheer audacity of suggesting she needs to ditch this deal and comeback with the deal which they have proposed is 'hurler on the ditchery' of the highest order. The UK electorate should weep at the ineptitude of everyone who is 'representing' them.
devnull wrote: » Corbyn wants a general election and to get into power at any cost. If subjecting the country to a no deal brexit is needed to achieve that he will do that, despite the fact that it will certainly harm the many and not the few who will benefit from it. Any other Labour leader in history would have done it differently, but instead you have him. He's even worse than his predecessor, which is quite something in itself. British Politics is at an all time low.
O'Neill wrote: » I really don't think a peope's vote is going to solve anything. In fact in my opinion it will make things worse. I honestly think we just need to see this nonsense out.
igCorcaigh wrote: » Labour UK could really capitalise by supporting the call for a people's vote. I can't make sense of their position.
LeinsterDub wrote: » Corbin hates the EU. Simple as. He wants out too
Shelga wrote: » She only has to get 320 votes out of 650 seats in the House of Commons- is that correct? Is that really going to be so hard to do? If 50-60% of Tories vote for it, and 40% of Labour, would that be enough?
SimonTemplar wrote: » If the deal fails in the HoC, I'm certain May will resign. She is backing this 100% and her position just won't be tenable if she can't get it through.
cml387 wrote: » When is the actual debate and vote? I see from twitter that a gigantic television platform is being built on the green.
Bambi wrote: » A BBC journo corrected him on twitter, about the Titanic, it was built in Ireland not NI, NI didnt exist at the time
Water John wrote: » Not going to drag the thread sideways but Ozone is made by electrical discharge on dry air, no need for import. BTW it's what should be used in all swimming pools, not bloody chlorus/chlorine. I don't think there is any way of disinfecting Brexit.
20silkcut wrote: » Had to laugh at his reference to the new vassal state of “ukni”.https://youtu.be/AjubxheN6ME
BonnieSituation wrote: » Username checks out. --- Gove is living in a post facts facts world where he's trying to dilute his pro-brexit stance to fit with today's narrative: and any straw he can clutch at will do. --- Any clips of BoJo at the DUP Árd Fheis?
