gormdubhgorm wrote: » It is not been dishonest at all no traveller has ever done me any harm but settled people have. Also are much larger numbers in settled community then the who also suffer from lack of opportunity in education. Who have generations living on social welfare. But as the travellers lack education thier groups are rarely articulate enough to properly market themselves and counteract propaganda. If you contrast this to another minority group LGBT etc the difference could not be more stark. The LGBT community are educated prevalent in the arts, media, government etc. The likes of Boxer Francie Barrett was treated i(n a very subtle way) similar to the way then Cassius Clay was treated in Southern America after he was in the Olympics. I can remember an Interview where Marty Morrissey asked his mother something to the effect of 'have you ever got a box from him yourself?'https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=307107 Until the travellers achieve the same they are never going to stand a chance against constant hyperbolic anti-traveller vitriol. Where it is siezed upon and positive stories are ignored by the media as it does not sell papers/programmes TV3 etc. As I said in an earlier post the travellers are largely still stuck in a cultural mindset of 70 years ago, at the pace of technological change alone it is extremely difficult for them not to be even further left behind.
dan1895 wrote: » I meant to quote the poster who mentioned the story of the referee in the Sunday World. Here's a link to the front page.https://twitter.com/sundayworld/status/1066476839982510081?s=19
CinemaGuy45 wrote: » I agree he was an idiot and it was also very hateful not trying to defend him. Yet to see a traveller charged for anything they have put online however different strokes for different folks.
Bridget Mushy Viper wrote: » It was dishonest of you to say "obviously all settled people are bad so?" And i explained it's a question of numbers and accepting responsibility. Not one person would disagree that there is criminality among non travellers. I've no doubt you haven't experienced problems from travellers, but that doesn't change the huge numbers who have. Particularly in very remote areas and council estates.It is not propaganda - it is the truth. Whose fault is it that they're left behind? This state offers so much to help them progress. So many are choosing not to keep their children in education, choosing not to use contraception, choosing to live in unhealthy conditions. Are they to be responsible for themselves or is deflection of blame the better option in the long run? Idiocy by Marty Morrissey though - no arguments there.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » It is thier own fault they are been left behind, as thier culture is becoming increasingly antiquated compared to mainstream society. They have very limited PR Pavee Point is the best they have which is incoherent and inarticulate most of the time so they have no real hope to counter it - unless an Irish traveller boxer win gold in boxing or a traveller actor gets an Oscar they cannot create hype over good news stories. Whereas the hype falls on the negative ones like this story. I believe it is partly propoganda/conformation bias there another traveller involved in criminality it attracts more attention sells more papers. Look at the major murders in Ireland. How many were committed by settled people?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_crimes_in_Ireland Was the phrase settled person Graham O'Dwyer found guilty of murdering Elaine O'Hara? No it was a focused on his socio-economic background leafy suburb etc. Whereas in items concerning travellers it is either in the headline or not far from it. Was Father Brendan Smyth styled as a settled person who happened to be a pedophile priest? No. Is the latest Kinahan-Hutch feud being described as a feud between settled people? No. When Veronica Guerin was shot was it said that she was shot by a settled person? No. Was Larry Murphy described as settled serial killer rapist? No. Now ask yourself in your own personal life how many times has a settled person caused you grief/criminality/hassle in your life? How many times has a traveller done the same? The way travellers are portrayed in the media reminds me of a joke Bill Burr told about the rednecks attitude to Obama. The rednecks could not wait for the recession to blame Obama. (Put on redneck accent)Redneck 1 - I knew it ya see, a black President.Redneck 2 - But isn't he is half black???Redneck 1 - But it was that half what done it!!! To me that sums the confirmation bias people have with travellers the negative news stories are siezed upon. However, in this case the woman in question does not seem like a very nice individual who has a large amount of duplicity as well. But that not give people the right to say there ya see I knew it, they are all at it. No surprises there etc - in other words confirmation bias.
CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Obviously putting up memes, demonstrates you have no real counter argument and do not wish to seriously think about it.
mikemac2 wrote: » 70 years ago they had skills with metal repairs and could work with farmers. Now the farmers fear them! 70 years ago they were experts at horses. Yeah some still have this but starving your horse on waste ground and racing them up a dual carriageway isn't a deep and spiritual bond as John Connors like to wax about Ireland would be a better place if travellers acted as they did 70 years ago. You're mistaking lack of education for lack of intelligence. Plenty of people leave school early and would outsmart you in any deal.
boombang wrote: » I have to say that I find the linking of the attack to abuse on the pitch both pretty weak and fairly typical. There always seems to be an attempt to pass the buck for their transgressions. They should not have been subject to abuse, but that in no way explains or justified beating the ref. Disgraceful.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I would agree that travellers fit better into society 70 years ago, but to say they have lack of intelligence is akin to British/American propaganda in the 19th century
CinemaGuy45 wrote: » Your posting trash you have not posted any real argument. Confirmation bias as in you find exactly what you expected to find but this is bias. That my good man is called evidence can you post any links to anything positive about these people? The meme was making exactly that point conformation bias what nonsense.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » So you are completly ignoring the fact that all those people I mentioned were settled people - Father Brendan Smyth etc. Who committed all those major murders were they travellers or settled people. Did John Gilligan live in a trailer? Or can that be convientely ingorned as it does not fir your stereotype? As I have said no traveller has done me any harm. From a general societal standpoint settled people have caused Ireland much more harm then travellers ever have - murders, rapes etc etc. That is my argument and as the travellers are always couched into the one grouping and settled people as a whole never are it is easy to have confirmation bias like yours. That is my argument. It is fairly simple. Settled people - not couched into one grouping when crimes are committed Travellers - couched into one grouping when crimes are committed. Therefore the settled people can say I told you so while turning a blind eye to crimes in the settled community = confirmation bias I cannot make it an simpler for you.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » As I have said no traveller has done me any harm. From a general societal standpoint settled people have caused Ireland much more harm then travellers ever have - murders, rapes etc etc.
CinemaGuy45 wrote: » And YOUR next post lamping divine:rolleyes:
mikemac2 wrote: » Travellers 0.6% of the population Everyone else 99.4% This information that settled people cause more harm is common sure shure It doesn't explain though how 0.6% of the population have 10% of the prison population.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » That is not a meme that is taken from a newspaper from the period again to are failing even to see the flaws in your biases now you are talking around the posts. The classic tactic of someone who has lost the argument trying to move the goal posts. I will ask you again how many times has a settled person caused you hassle/crime in your personal life? How many times has a traveller caused you hassle/crime in your personal life? Think about it and write it down in columns if it makes it easier for you. Now do the same for major crimes in Ireland were they settled people or were they travellers. Was that rapist/murderer/pedophile a traveller or a settled person?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » As I said in an earlier post the travellers are largely still stuck in a cultural mindset of 70 years ago, at the pace of technological change alone it is extremely difficult for them not to be even further left behind.
CinemaGuy45 wrote: » I was assaulted by a number of them I also had property stolen by them those are the only two times I have been the victim of assault and theft. Not going to answer any more of your posts but as regards, assaults and thefts travellers have been responsible for 100% of these in my life is that simple enough for you to understand?
mikemac2 wrote: » Aodhán Ó Ríordáin on boards it seems. A halting site and drug injection centre for every parish I'd love to live in your happy innocent world, it seems so perfect. South Dublin? I don't know Dublin areas so well in that map but I do know you are not from the midlands when as it happens most travellers are based.
strandroad wrote: » It's actually extremely easy. You just keep your kids in school.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » That is easily explained if you called people from certain lower disadvantaged socio-ecomic demographic an 'ethnic grouping' the same would happen for that settled community.
Paddy Cow wrote: » That's the whole point though. The troublesome sections of the settled community aren't going around looking for ethnic status to protect the criminal aspect of their "culture".
Chewbacca wrote: » We need to stop calling ourselves "settled people".
Entitled wrote: » I wonder do the travellers resent the gypsies coming here? More competition for the best begging spots, muscling in with their own crime gangs etc?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » So you are completly ignoring the fact that all those people I mentioned were settled people - Father Brendan Smyth etc. Who committed all those major murders were they travellers or settled people. Did John Gilligan live in a trailer? Or can that be convientely ingorned as it does not fir your stereotype? As I have said no traveller has done me any harm. I cannot make it an simpler for you.
Augme wrote: » I'm curious, if it was black people who had assualted you would you also hate all black people?
