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Diesel to contain 10% fame from 1/1/19

mikeecho

So, this morn I was privy to an internal doc for one of Ireland's large fuel retailer's.

It stated the following:

The Irish Government is increasing the biofuel obligation rate to 10% from January 1st 2019 as a step towards the EU target of 10% of renewable energy sources in the transport sector by 2020. In Ireland, this obligation is met by blending FAME (Biofuel from vegetable oils) in diesel to produce BioDiesel. This FAME can absorb water much more so than petroleum derived fuels. When water is able to contaminate diesel, it provides conditions suitable for microbial growth and can lead to diesel bugs, moulds, yeasts and bacteria spreading throughout the fuel. If a diesel fuel storage facility is not properly maintained, this growth may cause filter blockages and other issues. As a result, good housekeeping is more important than ever, especially as we enter the winter months.The main thing is to ensure you and your staff complete regular daily, weekly and annual checks.

Yippy... itll be more expensive and offer less fuel economy.

When fame (bio content) was increased from 5% (B5) to 7% (B7) there was a price increase as this bio content is more expensive than plain dinosaur juice.

Another issue is, that many diesel cars , mine included , are only to run on a max of 7%(B7)

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jmreire

heroics wrote: »

Circle K responded to say they are continuing with B7 diesel

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So we have been using B7 standard diesel all along in Circle K fuel stations? And presumably in every other fuel station in Ireland as well?

harr

mikeecho wrote: »

Circle K circular.

I've yellowed out sections that have internal contact details

This is nearly the exact wording the owner of my local Texaco got as well..no other info only that fame was being introduced in January and he would need to increase checks on his tanks for water ingress.
He said he will let me know when they clarified matters with him..

mikeecho

Circle K circular.

I've yellowed out sections that have internal contact details

mikeecho

heroics wrote: »

Circle K responded to say they are continuing with B7 diesel

That's strange.. because.. if you read the first post.. that quote is from a Circle K document.

I'll post the entire doc, if there's no objection.

I've sent a pm with a link to the doc to Toyotafanboy, I'm awaiting the go ahead.

Edit: link also sent to Black_Knight

If I don't hear back, I'll post a screen shot of the doc, with certain contact details removed.

Peatys

heroics wrote: »

Circle K responded to say they are continuing with B7 diesel

Thanks for that. I was filling in applegreen earlier and asked the manager. He said the new pumps will be additional, and won't be replacing anything.

spitonmedickie

Are people happy now that it's sticking with B7? Answer about how the % can increase and stay B7 seems to be here - https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2018-01-17/170/?highlight%5B0%5D=biodiesel#pq-answers-169_170_171_172

My reading of it is the % is about certs held, not the % of the mix and it means once the biofuel they get is produced from wastes or residues they can hit 11% in certs per 100 litres of fuel without making it B10 blend.

And maybe through additional, seperate, B10 pumps too...

_Kaiser_

heroics wrote: »

Circle K responded to say they are continuing with B7 diesel

Must check with Maxol as that's who I normally fill up with.

(Edit: Mail sent. Will update with their reply)

heroics

Circle K responded to say they are continuing with B7 diesel

ShamrockAir

BrownFinger wrote: »

This is the real travesty in this thread.
Absolute piles of ****e

Are they really that bad? Ah well easy come, easy go I suppose. It wasnt too expensive and I still have the other car. I dont think I will bother selling it now.

[Deleted User]

ShamrockAir wrote: »

I just bought my 1st diesel car, A 2010 Vauxhall Insignia

This is the real travesty in this thread.
Absolute piles of ****e

Peatys

gctest50 wrote: »

solid answers ?

This is the most solid answer anyone could genuinely give :

https://www.citroen.ie

https://www.renault.ie

https://www.peugeot.ie

https://www.dacia.ie

Any chance you'll knock this on the head?

jimgoose

I would imagine that some small quantity of B10 DERV will be made available at some forecourts. They've already started doing this in France:

https://www.acea.be/publications/article/b10-diesel-fuel-vehicle-compatibility-list

Note that most current passenger vehicle models are NOT compatible with B10 fuel.

easyvision

This is what I don't get, it must be phased on?? That would mean hundreds of millions of cars would not be able to be used over night? Seems odd. Is it like leaded petrol, slowly discontinued to allow people to change cars? Also cars they are still selling now would not be able to be used within a few weeks? Buy a 191 diesel and not be able to use it? Seems like something is getting missed here

traco

Philb76 wrote: »

Same with the superb thats why It's never had apple green fuel just seeing this thread now is it doomsday or overeaction time I'm genuinely confused

We run all the cars / vans on Applegreen and have not had any problem with any of them and combined that must be over 200k miles now.

I think its all an over reaction - can you imagine the fall out EU wide with the amount of non compliant diesels in the entire market?

daheff

gctest50 wrote: »

nope

so what am I looking for from a petrol perspective? What should I be asking the dealer can the car drive on?

And as of when are the changes happening? Jan 19? jan 20?

Philb76

koutoubia wrote: »

142 A6 (C7) Diesel.
Sticker inside the fuel door "No Biodiesel"

Jesus H Christ!

Same with the superb thats why It's never had apple green fuel just seeing this thread now is it doomsday or overeaction time I'm genuinely confused

The Bishop Basher

rex-x wrote: »

From a 2010 diesel insignia....not likely :pac:

I meant with regard to fuel availability but I do take the point !!

gctest50

it's like this

gctest50

Damien360 wrote: »

Just Diesel

nope

rex-x

Rennaws wrote: »

You’ll have many years enjoyment of it..

From a 2010 diesel insignia....not likely :pac:

Damien360

daheff wrote: »

so is this diesel only or petrol too. i just signed up to buy a 191 petrol..... need to know do i need to check petrol acceptability?

Just Diesel

daheff

so is this diesel only or petrol too. i just signed up to buy a 191 petrol..... need to know do i need to check petrol acceptability?

gctest50

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https://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/news-and-media/consultations/Pages/Biofuel-Obligation-Rate-Consultation.aspx.

Submissions were received from:

Cré

Neste

Valero Energy (Ireland) Limited

An Taisce

Irving Oil

Ethanol Europe Renewables Ltd (EERL)

Irish Bioenergy Association (IrBea)

tcbb RESOURCE

Ryan Institute- NUI Galway

Renewable Gas Forum Ireland (RGFI)

Green Party

SSE Ireland

Oil Firing Technical Association Ireland (OFTEC Ireland)

Teagasc - The Agriculture and Food Development Authority

Society of the Irish Motor Industry (SIMI)

Calor Teoranta

Petrogas Group Ltd.

The Irish Petroleum Industry Association (IPIA)

Inver Energy Ltd.

The Maxol Group

The Irish Cattle & Sheep Farmers' Association (ICSA)

Green Biofuels Ireland

gctest50

And that lead to this :

https://bit.ly/2qQRN54

gctest50

FaganJr wrote: »

I really doubt the government would bring this in without consultation?
..........

There was a consultation

All done properly, all those interested sent in their part

Jamemid

Can I keep using agri diesel

clfy39tzve8njq

Fake news. Some posters embarrassing themselves, hardly able to hide their glee at such a scenario :-)

JJJJNR

It's the nice treaty that states all jurisdictions should operate the same and there is no exception. no mention of vrt though that's grand.

lawred2

theguzman wrote: »

We are under EU/German rule so if this is coming from Brussels the Irish vassal Govt are legally bound to introduce it, we do not have a say on the matter.

Seriously you either need to grow up or inform yourself.

German rule. Makes you sound like a crank.

Eric Cartman

it'll be a 3 pump scenario , unleaded, b7, b10 , new cars will be mandated to take this swill and in 15 years itll be impossible to find b7. Same way they phased out leaded.

The new cars will be (like every newer generation of diesels) less reliable and more expensive, pushing more users to EV's and leaving it for hauliers and commercial drivers.