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Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

Rhineshark

kuro68k wrote: »

The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.

1. The EU
2. Remainers
3. Ireland
4. Corbyn

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Anthracite

RobMc59 wrote: »

The problem that might emerge for the EU from a hard Brexit is that after a period of uncertainty and taking a major hit a resurgent UK regroups (rather like russia)-the EU would have no control over what may be a more attractive proposition to nations wavering about EU membership (and there are a few).

Point of information: Russia's economy is still in the toilet. A similar GDP to mighty Canada, with nearly 4 times the population.

RobMc59

LeinsterDub wrote: »

The UK is the fifth largest economy in the world. Perhaps after Brexit they regroup. This certainly can't be said for the likes of Poland or most other European countries

Why not?-and I imagine countries like Italy and Greece will be watching proceedings very closely.

ancapailldorcha

RobMc59 wrote: »

Why not?-and I imagine countries like Italy and Greece will be watching proceedings very closely.

The irony here is that London would essentially become the caricature of Brussels the tabloids have successfully sold to the British electorate. I don't think continental Europeans are this gullible to be honest.

Imreoir2

RobMc59 wrote: »

Why not?-and I imagine countries like Italy and Greece will be watching proceedings very closely.

The Brexiteers keep saying Italy is next.

Any day now...

Anthracite

RobMc59 wrote: »

Why not?-and I imagine countries like Italy and Greece will be watching proceedings very closely.

So...a union of (all of?) the UK, Italy and Greece. Well that makes economic sense.

No wait, it can't be a union, that defeats the purpose of Brexit. So a trade deal. Awesome. I can totally see them walking out of a union of 500 million people for that.

RobMc59

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

The irony here is that London would essentially become the caricature of Brussels the tabloids have successfully sold to the British electorate. I don't think continental Europeans are this gullible to be honest.

The people in power in the EU will be looking beyond the next few years and the last thing they want is the UK doing well on their own-that's why I believe the EU wants a deal as much as Britain-the old adage-"keep your friends close and your enemies closer" comes to mind.

LeinsterDub

RobMc59 wrote: »

Why not?-and I imagine countries like Italy and Greece will be watching proceedings very closely.

Because most European countries are too small or to weak to compete on the world stage by themselves anymore. This isn't just a European issues, across the world trade blocks are forming or formed.

ancapailldorcha

RobMc59 wrote: »

The people in power in the EU will be looking beyond the next few years and the last thing they want is the UK doing well on their own-that's why I believe the EU wants a deal as much as Britain-the old adage-"keep your friends close and your enemies closer" comes to mind.

There is no sign whatsoever that the UK's situation will improve post-Brexit.

First Up

RobMc59 wrote: »

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

The irony here is that London would essentially become the caricature of Brussels the tabloids have successfully sold to the British electorate. I don't think continental Europeans are this gullible to be honest.

The people in power in the EU will be looking beyond the next few years and the last thing they want is the UK doing well on their own-that's why I believe the EU wants a deal as much as Britain-the old adage-"keep your friends close and your enemies closer" comes to mind.

Who are "the people in power in the EU"?

Seth Brundle

According to Claire Byrne just now on RTE, May saysbthat she won't compromise.
Hard Brexit it is so!

Mr.Nice Guy

Looks like May has run out of road.

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1062097914409992192

Infini

Seth Brundle wrote: »

According to Claire Byrne just now on RTE, May won't compromise

She's screwed then. I'd say very likely the only way out of this whole mess at this point is a 2nd ref or crash out. Incompetent failures the lot of them in westminster.

Water John

Sounds like TM is swaying that way tonight. But it won't go through the HoC. She's basically at this point deciding who will resign from the Cabinet.

Some absolute loonies on CB Live.

Professor Moriarty

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Looks like May has run out of road.

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1062097914409992192

If a couple of those resign, May is gone. If May goes then it's hard to see any agreement this year.

Hurrache

Seth Brundle wrote: »

According to Claire Byrne just now on RTE, May saysbthat she won't compromise.
Hard Brexit it is so!

I was aghast at the two Brexiters that opened the show.

Call me Al

Hurrache wrote: »

I was aghast at the two Brexiters that opened the show.

Jim Allister is making an show of himself. He won't stop talking and shouting. Nobody can get a word in.

Seth Brundle

Hurrache wrote: »

I was aghast at the two Brexiters that opened the show.

Funnier than Laurel & Hardy (except it's also scary)

fly_agaric

Water John wrote: »

Some absolute loonies on CB Live.

It is "car crash" tv alright.
Oh dear, what a shower of b-tards. I wish some adult would lock all the DUPers and Tory Brexiteers in a rubber room where they could wave their union jack underwear at each other + leave the rest of us in peace.

Professor Moriarty

Jim Allister doesn't accept the poll. Of course. Mind you, Nolan is a bit of a gob****e.

Water John

Nolan just has a diff more aggressive style but it doesn't bother me. He is really showing up the idiots.

Call me Al

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Jim Allister doesn't accept the poll. Of course. Mind you, Nolan is a bit of a gob****e.

Listening to him there. He gives credence to the concept of alternative facts.

Professor Moriarty

Jim Allister: "Only 44% of our trade is with the EU." That's okay then.

Junkyard Tom

Pro-Brexit voices in the north 'the South's economy will be much more damaged by Brexit than the UK's'

Utter cluelessness and inability to do simple arithmetic never mind have a rudimentary understanding of economics.

Mr.Nice Guy

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Pro-Brexit voices in the north 'the South's economy will be much more damaged by Brexit than the UK's'

Utter cluelessness and inability to do simple arithmetic never mind have a rudimentary understanding of economics.

I was just thinking the same thing. The majority unionist attitude seems to be, we might be fecked but you're going to be more fecked. So there.

prawnsambo

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I was just thinking the same thing. The majority unionist attitude seems to be, we might be fecked but you're going to be more fecked. So there.

The economic theories of John Maynard Keystone Cops. We're going to shoot ourselves in the head, but the bullet is sure to carry on and clip you too.

Hurrache

I watched some of May's speech earlier, talk about trade deals with Africa and Asia which they'll get working on after Brexit.

Professor Moriarty

Jim Allister doing a great job of increasing the anti UI vote in the Republic.

lawred2

Northern Ireland discourse seems to be not much more than an effort in shouting the loudest.. fairly immature discourteous stuff.

This shows' whole concept is gimmickry

Spook_ie

Just a thought, If the backstop is legally written in with no preconditions, time limits etc. what's to stop Ireland playing real hardball over the trade agreement negotiations? Knowing they have nothing to worry about because the backstop is there.

charlie14

Spook_ie wrote: »

Just a thought, If the backstop is legally written in with no preconditions, time limits etc. what's to stop Ireland playing real hardball over the trade agreement negotiations? Knowing they have nothing to worry about because the backstop is there.

Why would they. What benefit would it be to the RoI ?