Tommy Robinson jailed

Odhinn wrote: »

Tell me then how the muslim police association negatively impact your life.

But there is a diverse population.

You think that the pre-reform RUC should have been left as they were? Please explain.

I've no idea what that's meant to mean or be about. Again - two million muslims fought on the allied side in WW1. Nothing you've said gainsays that fact.

You don't wish to admit you're entirely wrong I see.

Yet here you are posting barely understood quarter and half "facts" and then defending them without reference to reality.

I always watch the UK, I do not think they are better than us but they make many decisions that we usually follow suit there after.

I dont deny there is a diverse population in the UK. They also have a higher prison population, drugs problem and literacy problems per capita. I would like us to avoid the same mistakes here.

The Northern Question is much more complex than that. I think it was a great solution from a british perspective to set two unruly groups upon each other. I think they are becoming tired of paying for a country that doesnt return tax and lives in a fairy land of "Send London the bill". I actually get on well with my Church of Ireland neighbours, its not about religion, its about setting two diverse cultures on eachother.

Muslims also fought for Germany during world war 1 as well. You pay 'em they turn up and fight. So what?

Time will tell, History would be a better rule of thumb rather hugs and drugs. I would view our current social situation on par with the final days of Rome.

Odhinn wrote: »

An "underground" and thus illegal court has legal standing? Do please go on.

It does when you live in a community that uses terror and violence to enforce its social norms.

Odhinn

skooterblue2 wrote: »

..........
Muslims also fought for Germany during world war 1 as well. You pay 'em they turn up and fight. So what?

...you claimed they wouldn't fight for a "kafir" army...., like you claimed they wouldn't join a police force, that shia Iran had a "grand mufti", like you implied there was something subversive about a muslim police association but failed to apply the same "logic" to christian and sikh police associations.

Odhinn wrote: »

You realise that Lebanon was majority muslim from at least the early 1900's? No, I don't suppose you do.

So what do you think caused all the civil unrest? The Bad Christians, right? yeah?

Odhinn

skooterblue2 wrote: »

It does when you live in a community that uses terror and violence to enforce its social norms.

"terror and violence" have legal standing in uk civil courts? Do please post a few examples there.

Odhinn wrote: »

"terror and violence" have legal standing in uk civil courts? Do please post a few examples there.

ROTHERHAM............... enough said. 1400 children abducted and raped in a small town and the politicians and police covered it up.

FGM, an old favourite. 4000 estimated in Ireland and not one prosecution. 6000 in London last year. That is from Reuters not from Brietbart.

Muslim Gangs in UK prisons. Now that looks like building an army. You have the lower prisoner IQ and disposition for violence and criminal activity.

Those are just a few examples.

Odhinn wrote: »

You realise that Lebanon was majority muslim from at least the early 1900's? No, I don't suppose you do.

Don't think it was to be fair.

Grayson

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Sweet Jesus!!! Have you ever been a soldier? Soldiers dont follow Canon law, that is for the RC clergy, the army follows orders and army regulations. You eat what is in front of you, you run when you get a break and duck when you hear shots. You wear kit that is issued to you and be grateful for rations. I never once questioned in my time, "Is the Chaplain ok with this?".

That is the most ambiguous statement ever. The sun will rise tomorrow and if it isnt raining it will be sunny. How about that!??!

Never been a soldier. I'm literally the only person in my family, going back generations who isn't/wasn't one.

Christians, particularly catholics, obey canon law along with other dictates of the church. This includes their rules on a just war etc... Belonging to an army would/should imply that the army is also aligned with the beliefs of the soldier.

Yet for some reason you think that Christian soldiers and Muslim soldiers are different. You say a christian soldier would never question an order but seem to think that muslim ones would.

There are many muslim soldiers in the US army. The same goes for GB and other western countries. They fight and die just like anyone else.

I find it weird when a non Muslim proclaims something like "muslims can't join the army" despite all the evidence that many do. The evidence to disprove the statement is plain to see.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

So what do you think caused all the civil unrest? The Bad Christians, right? yeah?

Destabilisation was caused in Lebanon by the fact it was situated in a volatile region, sandwiched between more powerful neighbours and had a history of competing communities. Long before the Palestinians arrived there had been historic tensions between Greek, Shia, Sunni, Druze and Christian populations that had erupted in horrific slaughter over the centuries. The Palestinians didn't arrive in Lebanon by choice by the way, they were driven there after being systematically expelled from their lands to the south.

Robert Fisk wrote a great book about it called Pity the Nation. I'd suggest you give it a nose before reducing one of the world's most complex and ancient country's story to 'the Muslims did it'.

FTA69 wrote: »

Robert Fisk wrote a great book about it called Pity the Nation. I'd suggest you give it a nose before reducing one of the world's most complex and ancient country's story to 'the Muslims did it'.

Well the Muslims are the last men standing in Lebanon, it was hardly the Japanese

Grayson wrote: »

Never been a soldier. I'm literally the only person in my family, going back generations who isn't/wasn't one.

Christians, particularly catholics, obey canon law along with other dictates of the church. This includes their rules on a just war etc... Belonging to an army would/should imply that the army is also aligned with the beliefs of the soldier.

Yet for some reason you think that Christian soldiers and Muslim soldiers are different. You say a christian soldier would never question an order but seem to think that muslim ones would.

There are many muslim soldiers in the US army. The same goes for GB and other western countries. They fight and die just like anyone else.

I find it weird when a non Muslim proclaims something like "muslims can't join the army" despite all the evidence that many do. The evidence to disprove the statement is plain to see.

All my cousin are nurses, Doctors and other medical professions. Would you be interested in hearing my medical opinion, or have me perform surgery on you?

Muslim armies promote on family placings rather than ability and performance as in western ones.

That is not what I said at all. I said that the Koran forbids Muslims from "Kafir" armies and police forces. Not the same thing.

Timberrrrrrrr

skooterblue2 wrote: »

All my cousin are nurses, Doctors and other medical professions. Would you be interested in hearing my medical opinion, or have me perform surgery on you?

Muslim armies promote on family placings rather than ability and performance as in western ones.

[B!₩That is not what I said at all. I said that the Koran forbids Muslims from "Kafir" armies and police forces. Not the same thing[/b].

What? You literally said

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I read the article. Why does the British Army have a muslim advisor on retainer? A Muslim cannot join either the British Army or the police force. This is forbidden by the Muslim religion.

And then when called out on the stupidity if that post you flopped around in an attemt to reword it!

It's already been proven beyond doubt that Muslims DO join armies and police forces from other non Muslim countries yet you still claim they cant/don't.

Which army did you serve in and how many Muslims were serving with you?

OldRio

This is comedy gold from skooter. Priceless.

Odhinn wrote: »

An "underground" and thus illegal court has legal standing? Do please go on.

They aren't underground, why you pretend they are, who knows.

If you believe they are underground....

Odhinn

FTA69 wrote: »

Don't think it was to be fair.

It was,certainly in the 1930's - 54% muslim. Not a massive majority in truth.

batgoat

Danzy wrote: »

They aren't underground, why you pretend they are, who knows.

If you believe they are underground....

Any such court has to abide by the law...

Captain Obvious

Large number of "Free Tommy Robinson" supporters wanted by police.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/free-tommy-robinson-protesters-sought-13416545

Detectives have released 17 images of men that they would like to speak to in connection with serious disorder at the rally on Saturday June 9.

The protest saw demonstrators wave Union Jack flags and brandish placards as they chanted for the former EDL leader to be freed.

Robinson, 35, had been jailed for contempt of court after broadcasting a Facebook Live clip outside Leeds Crown Court, allegedly after ignoring reporting restrictions on a long-running case.

seamus

There's a common theme running through the pictures of all those "protestors", I just can't qwhite put my finger on it.

BoneIdol

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Large number of "Free Tommy Robinson" supporters wanted by police.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/free-tommy-robinson-protesters-sought-13416545

Diverse looking crowd.

Cienciano

There's a good subreddit on these types. Basically taking the píss out of white nationalists and Nazis.

https://www.reddit.com/r/beholdthemasterrace/top

Here's a good example: https://www.reddit.com/r/beholdthemasterrace/comments/8t123e/thiss_the_result_from_decades_of_genetic/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/13/anti-fascists-block-route-of-democratic-football-lads-alliance-london-march

There was a march on Saturday by the Democratic Football Lads Alliance which featured around 1000 muppets coming into central London having a whinge. They were on about how they're simply "anti extremism" but a load of their videos feature rants against migrants, Africans and Romanians. One of their speakers on stage went on a mad David Icke rant about globalisation, George Soros, big pharma and white pride in schools.

Their march was blocked and they dispersed, with a load of them then firming up and attempting to attack a separate union demonstration but were seen off and eventually the cops surrounded us and kettled us in while the idiots drifted off.

Absolutely pathetic day out for them and for all their talk the true colours of the British far right are emerging.

Skylinehead

FTA69 wrote: »

Democratic Football Lads Alliance

I thought you made this name up to make fun of them, but no it's real somehow

ohnonotgmail

Nixonbot wrote: »

I thought you made this name up to make fun of them, but no it's real somehow

These people are beyond parody.

Nixonbot wrote: »

I thought you made this name up to make fun of them, but no it's real somehow

Coalition of football casuals/hooligans that has a far-right political agenda and is being courged by UKIP as some sort of burgeoning street movement.

A far sounder (and better dressed bunch) are the Football Lads and Lasses Against Fascism who turned out on the day and met in North London. There was Celtic, Palace, Birmingham, Villa, Leicester and Spurs with a small group of Irish boys and other internationals. It was great to see an alliance of working-class football fans who turned out to reject the notion that the far-right would use football people as some sort of thuggish muscle.

Added bonus that a few right-wing Chelsea lot had a pop and were soundly convinced of the error of their ways and will hopefully be dissuaded from such silliness in future.

The football lads are just the Working Class version of Antifa.

Smear a bit of politics on top, make it an in group thing and love a rumble on the street.

They may control differing sides of the track, they may claim political differences but the mentality is the Same.

Danzy wrote: »

The football lads are just the Working Class version of Antifa.

Smear a bit of politics on top, make it an in group thing and love a rumble on the street.

They may control differing sides of the track, they may claim political differences but the mentality is the Same.

Meh, maybe and maybe not. It's key to stop the far-right trying to impose a narrative where football fans become some sort of recruiting pool for parties and movements that are directly against working class interests. That's an argument that needs to be had and had by football fans with other football fans.

Captain Obvious

No word on wether Tommy was outside this court case.

https://dorseteye.com/former-edl-member-sentenced-to-18-years-for-child-sex-offences-but-where-was-tommy/

Former EDL member sentenced to 18 years for child sex offences...

Peter Gillett, 59, self-employed, of Arundel Road, Littlehampton, had been convicted at Lewes Crown Court on Friday (16 February) of a series of seven counts of non-recent sexual offences in Crawley, some involving multiple occasions, against two young girls and a young boy, all known to him.

Sentencing awaited the outcome of a separate trial for Gillett for possession of a stun gun found at his address when he was arrested in 2016.

FTA69 wrote: »

Meh, maybe and maybe not. It's key to stop the far-right trying to impose a narrative where football fans become some sort of recruiting pool for parties and movements that are directly against working class interests. That's an argument that needs to be had and had by football fans with other football fans.

It is but the exact same can be said of ANTIFA. Exact same, which one is a bigger concern, equal I'd say.

batgoat

Danzy wrote: »

It is but the exact same can be said of ANTIFA. Exact same, which one is a bigger concern, equal I'd say.

Antifa with all their faults aren't white supremacist hooligans. That is what football hooligans are and the reason why the keep racism out of football campaign came in.