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Go-Ahead Dublin City Routes - Updates and Discussion

Stephen15

So since the last thread on this got closed and dosen't appear to be reopening any time soon. Heres a new one for you.

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NuMarvel

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Reading back as I'm only occasionally keeping up with this thread and I see they've made the livery even worse by the addition of a yellow front end now - presumably to try and reassure passengers that it's a city bus service not a private operator but also address the visibility concerns.

I saw one of the 175s yesterday in front of a DB (77A I think), and I think the yellow, and the livery overall, looks well. The two buses looked distinct, but with enough commonality to let passengers know it's a public bus service. The one thing I'd change if I could is the teal/aqua stripe on the new livery, but it's not a deal breaker.

Peregrine

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It still seems nuts to me that Dublin Bus are disposing of what are apparently still perfectly serviceable vehicles (the AV's) that are still in daily use elsewhere, and replacing them with inferior rubbish (IMO anyway) at taxpayer expense.

What makes that so apparent?

Also, it's the NTA that are buying the new ones. I've heard complaints about the SGs but to suggest that they are rubbish compared to the aged, guzzling, polluting AVs is a stretch.

devnull

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It still seems nuts to me that Dublin Bus are disposing of what are apparently still perfectly serviceable vehicles (the AV's) that are still in daily use elsewhere, and replacing them with inferior rubbish (IMO anyway) at taxpayer expense.

I can't think of a single one that has gone to a place where it has anywhere near a stressful life as they would on Dublin Bus.

They mostly go to private hire operators or ones that don't run intensive services or have limited operating hours.

Qrt

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It still seems nuts to me that Dublin Bus are disposing of what are apparently still perfectly serviceable vehicles (the AV's) that are still in daily use elsewhere, and replacing them with inferior rubbish (IMO anyway) at taxpayer expense.

Personally, I find the AVs horrible and they always stink. Ventilation is awful too.

_Kaiser_

It still seems nuts to me that Dublin Bus are disposing of what are apparently still perfectly serviceable vehicles (the AV's) that are still in daily use elsewhere, and replacing them with inferior rubbish (IMO anyway) at taxpayer expense.

dublinman1990

Companies like McColls in Scotland & Happy AL's in Birkenhead have Volvo Olympians & ALX400's that are in their yellow Dublin Bus livery without it's logos over them.

Some of the Dublin Olympians from Happy AL's have a lot of variation in what they use for their official liveries. It's a mix mash of three separate sets of corporate liveries applied to every Olympian in their official fleet. To talk about examples here it looks like a complete mess when Happy AL's are concerned.

One set of them are all in maroon red with the Happy AL's logo.

Another set are coloured in white with red & blue stripes draped over it with the Happy AL's logo.

The third set all have the yellow Dublin Bus livery with Happy AL's logo on top of it.

McColls in Scotland on the other hand only one corporate livery applied for their own fleet.

Their previous livery was coloured in white with a red & green stripe on the bottom of the buses. The McColls logo was a mix of blue & yellow.

But when they purchase some of the old AVs that were sold from Dublin Bus in the present day; they leave the Dublin Bus livery on these buses for a temporary basis until they go through their repaint cycle with the new owners. In the meantime; they would apply a White McColls logo with a school bus sign applied on the front windscreen, UK reg plates & reformatted LED display to let passengers know that it is part of their official bus fleet.

McColls are very familiar with buying ex Dublin Buses before because they do own some RA's & WV's from the past few years.

The buses are now all coloured in a revised McColls official livery of in a lighter tone of white with the red & grey stripe over it on the bottom.

Stephen15

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I wonder can Dublin Bus sue for trademark infringement as they look pretty much identical (as is the intention no doubt) from the front.

They could also sue MacDiarmuida Coaches who have DB buses in a similar yellow and blue livery, Citylink, Callinans Coaches who have Ex DB buses with the navy stripe replaced with red and some UK bus operators who have ex DB buses still in DB livery with logos removed/replaced.

Peregrine

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I wonder can Dublin Bus sue for trademark infringement as they look pretty much identical (as is the intention no doubt) from the front.

Not unless Dublin Bus has a trademark on the colour blue. Since we've been told that DB use the yellow front for visibility and no court will deny NTA the right to do the same.

devnull

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I wonder can Dublin Bus sue for trademark infringement as they look pretty much identical (as is the intention no doubt) from the front.

Be interesting if they did, since I'm not sure how DB could win that fight.

They'd have to prove that the livery is more for branding reasons than it is to help the disabled, since if it is to help the disabled, that would be the NTAs defence in any action you'd have thought and if DB argue it's for branding reasons rather than for the disabled, then it essentially removes the argument for having any yellow at all and the NTA could just repaint them blue.

In any case if DB do sue the NTA over such a thing, it won't leave much room to doubt that they see protecting their own brand and image as more important than serving the public in a coherent, integrated transport system.

MJohnston

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Reading back as I'm only occasionally keeping up with this thread and I see they've made the livery even worse by the addition of a yellow front end now - presumably to try and reassure passengers that it's a city bus service not a private operator but also address the visibility concerns.

I wonder can Dublin Bus sue for trademark infringement as they look pretty much identical (as is the intention no doubt) from the front.

Could Dublin Bus sue the NTA? Are you serious?

_Kaiser_

Reading back as I'm only occasionally keeping up with this thread and I see they've made the livery even worse by the addition of a yellow front end now - presumably to try and reassure passengers that it's a city bus service not a private operator but also address the visibility concerns.

I wonder can Dublin Bus sue for trademark infringement as they look pretty much identical (as is the intention no doubt) from the front.

liger

L1011 wrote: »

Ex Irish Rail Docklands driver I wonder? Extremely frequent that they run in darkness, with Croke Park and Cross Guns on the route

In fairness, there's a lot to be putting together on your first real day of work. None of them want to be the first to have an accident, one looked pretty nervous driving.

Yer Da sells Avon

magentis wrote: »

The shape of things to come from a company that has consistently operated the worst rail service in the UK.

Take a bow NTA.

That makes about as much sense as saying that because Irish Rail is crap, Dublin Bus is too, for no reason other than the fact that they are subsidiaries of the same holding company.

end of the road

magentis wrote: »

The shape of things to come from a company that has consistently operated the worst rail service in the UK.

Take a bow NTA.

presumably you are refering to southern fail?
to be fair the tory government engineered that whole mess so they could have a go at the unions, the anti-worker party that they are.

devnull

magentis wrote: »

The shape of things to come from a company that has consistently operated the worst rail service in the UK.

Take a bow NTA.

So now we're judging a whole company and its staff on one anecdotal example on the first day, which may have been the result of some kind of fault rather than an active choice by the driver or company?

If it is happening on a regular basis then I'd see your point, otherwise it's just having a pop for having a pops sake, because both Dublin Bus and Irish Rail have been known to operate services without lights from time to time and many of their own services have had teething problems when they begun!

vectorvictor

magentis wrote: »

The shape of things to come from a company that has consistently operated the worst rail service in the UK.

Take a bow NTA.

That's a bit OTT and like waiting for mistakes to pounce on. First day on the job with the nerves and trying to remember everything that comes with it leaves anyone prone to an error or two.

These guys are only human, and I know I've done some stupid things on my first day in a job.

Bus drivers are made by experience, they don't just arrive in a box.

magentis

liger wrote: »

Just seen one lad driving down Ballinteer with no internal lights on. Passengers sitting on board in darkness. &#55357;&#56881;

The shape of things to come from a company that has consistently operated the worst rail service in the UK.

Take a bow NTA.

vectorvictor

liger wrote: »

Just seen one lad driving down Ballinteer with no internal lights on. Passengers sitting on board in darkness. ðŸ˜±

That's a saving of 20 odd quid on the Ghost Bus price. Suggest you post in bargain alerts!

L1011

liger wrote: »

Just seen one lad driving down Ballinteer with no internal lights on. Passengers sitting on board in darkness. &#55357;&#56881;

Ex Irish Rail Docklands driver I wonder? Extremely frequent that they run in darkness, with Croke Park and Cross Guns on the route

liger

Just seen one lad driving down Ballinteer with no internal lights on. Passengers sitting on board in darkness. ðŸ˜±

Stephen15

dublinman1990 wrote: »

There seems to be a mistake here on the TFI website with a route called the 338 which starts in October.

https://www.transportforireland.ie/go-ahead-ireland/

Is that route meant to be called the 238 which goes around Blanchardstown?

It's either that or the 33B from Swords to Portrane. I'm not sure what the story is with that as the 238 wasn't originally meant to transfer until the 20th January and the 33b was meant to transfer on the 18th Novemeber. So I'm not if someone working for the NTA was given the wrong information or if dates of when the routes have been brought forward and the batch that was meant to transfer in October (45a, 59, 63, 75, 111, 184 and 185) has been pushed back.

dublinman1990

There seems to be a mistake here on the TFI website with a route called the 338 which starts in October.

https://www.transportforireland.ie/go-ahead-ireland/

Is that route meant to be called the 238 which goes around Blanchardstown?

EDIT:

Route information on the 175 is now up on the TFI Journey Planner app on Windows 10. Although when I put in a query for it from UCD to Citywest; it has a label over it saying "Stop 2007 Take 15:13 175 Sandymount" while appearing as an overlap over it's termini stop at UCD. Does that appear on the website by any chance?

MJohnston

No, apologies, looks like you're right:

At a guess, someone has input the data incorrectly. Wonder if that's showing up on RTPI screens too though!

MJohnston

Tarabuses wrote: »

Why does it show route 175 destination Sandymount when I search a bus in the Tallaght direction from Goatstown?

You sure it's not Ballymount you're seeing?

Tarabuses

devnull wrote: »

Where are you searching?

https://www.journeyplanner.transportforireland.ie/nta/XSLT_TRIP_REQUEST2?language=en#std3_ac_date

devnull

Tarabuses wrote: »

Why does it show route 175 destination Sandymount when I search a bus in the Tallaght direction from Goatstown?

Where are you searching?

Tarabuses

Why does it show route 175 destination Sandymount when I search a bus in the Tallaght direction from Goatstown?

Stephen15

Paddysboys wrote: »

Put in kingswood avenue--- ucd

It's on the journey planner but not real time time app

Paddysboys

Paddysboys wrote: »

https://www.journeyplanner.transportforireland.ie/nta/XSLT_TRIP_REQUEST2?language=en#std3_ac_date

Put in kingswood avenue--- ucd

Paddysboys

Stephen15 wrote: »

No sign of the 175 on the TFI real time app also new stops on Taney Road have not yet been added to the app

https://www.journeyplanner.transportforireland.ie/nta/XSLT_TRIP_REQUEST2?language=en#std3_ac_date