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NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

ED E

They've published!

The government has published a new map outlining in detail 700,000 rural homes and businesses which will be connected to state-subsidised broadband of at least 30 megabits per second (Mbs) from 2016.

http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/news/revealed-700000-homes-and-businesses-to-get-subsidised-fast-broadband-in-new-plan-30769126.html

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Ultimanemo

KOR101 wrote: »

Another sign of too much debt.

https://m.independent.ie/business/irish/eirs-billionaire-owner-refinances-personal-holdings-37286889.html

Hopefully he will be belly up soon, he came to eir and made it even worse for us

Ultimanemo

In Mr Denis Naughten facebook page he has a new post, he says: If you are in the Amber area, then you are part of the final phase of the National Broadband Plan.

It seems there are primary phases of NBP "that we are not aware of" going for sometime, now we are going to start the final phase.

BArra

here is the post from him on facebook

People with Broadband outside their door don’t know it - do you know your colour on the broadband map?
I’ve come across a number of instances recently where people have access to high speed broadband and they don’t know it.
You should use your Eircode at www.broadband.gov.ie to find out if you have broadband available or not.
If your premises is in dark blue, you should have a minimum of 30mbps, 24 hours a day. If you are not getting that speed then email broadband@dccae.gov.ie with your Eircode and let us know so that we can have this addressed.

If your premises is in light blue then you are part of the Eir 300,000 premises fibre roll out. Eir have now passed 195,000 premises and will complete the rollout in the first half of 2019. You can find out more here: https://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/

If your premises has gone from light blue to dark blue, then you are one of the 195,000 customers that can connect directly to the new Eir fibre network. The company is contracted to connect 95% of premises within 20 working days of receiving an order. So if you have not made an order, then you should do so.

If you are in the Amber area, then you are part of the final phase of the National Broadband Plan which is the State intervention phase. We are currently concluding a tender process to bring high speed broadband to you and we expect to be able to provide further clarity on timelines within the coming weeks.

I know that this is very very frustrating and that is why we’ve been working with mobile and wireless broadband operators to help them to improve their service to you, so that as many people as possible get access to a service, in the short term.

BArra

I just checked my own address there on the map, all houses in my area have an amber circle, yet in between this is blue meaning from Mr.Naughtons logic, that minimum 30Mb service is available 24 hours a day

Am I reading the map wrong or where is the logic? Stepping onto the road in front of my house gives magical broadband of 30Mb? Why isn't the entire area Amber, the exchange is too far to give broadband (ADSL) and am further than 2km for VDSL fibre cabinet

Am connected via a Nova Broadband on their maximum package of 20Mb/1Mb, but during peak times this is obliterated and highly unstable often dropping below 5Mb

jgbyr

He's not making much sense. We're marked Amber, in a dark blue area & light blue on two sides.

BArra

found the answer

https://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/communications/topics/Broadband/national-broadband-plan/frequently-asked-questions/Pages/Amber.aspx

Why is my home an AMBER dot in a BLUE area?

In April 2017 we updated the NBP map to move 84,500 homes and businesses from the BLUE to the AMBER area. We did this because service from commercial operators has not materialised. This means your home or business will get high speed broadband through the NBP State Intervention.

fritzelly

KOR101 wrote: »

Another sign of too much debt.

https://m.independent.ie/business/irish/eirs-billionaire-owner-refinances-personal-holdings-37286889.html

A lot going on in Eir at the moment
As the saying goes "a new brush sweeps clean" but could his sweeping changes bring the whole thing crashing down
He doesn't have the greatest reputation as it is, losing lots of customers across the water (makes you wonder why/how other companies are stealing their business).
And quite a bit of discord within the group here both internally and outsourced.

KOR101

Ultimanemo wrote: »

Hopefully he will be belly up soon, he came to eir and made it even worse for us

I think companies with debt problems are more likely to think short term rather than long term, and this makes them more amenable to doing a deal on the NBP. But, I have to say there is no evidence at all of that yet.

fritzelly

Ultimanemo wrote: »

Hopefully he will be belly up soon, he came to eir and made it even worse for us

I wouldn't be surprised at all that after a few years he starts selling off the various parts of the company either as a whole or as a kinda sectional business model, well maybe not sell of but franchise off. So it could get a whole lot worse

Marlow

The worst of Naugthens post actually, that he's officially peddling Eir and not sending people to https://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/where-to-buy/ for a wider choice of providers.

/M

BandMember

Marlow wrote: »

The worst of Naugthens post actually, that he's officially peddling Eir and not sending people to https://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/where-to-buy/ for a wider choice of providers.

/M

Could be worse - he could be sending them to Imagine and various mobile broadband providers as he seems to think that they are acceptable forms of broadband.... :rolleyes:

Marlow

BandMember wrote: »

Could be worse - he could be sending them to Imagine and various mobile broadband providers as he seems to think that they are acceptable forms of broadband.... :rolleyes:

It's just amazing, that he doesn't learn any of it. Because these things have been explained to him. Hell, I have explained FTTH to him personally and I believe it went in and out

m99T

Marlow wrote: »

The worst of Naugthens post actually, that he's officially peddling Eir and not sending people to https://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/where-to-buy/ for a wider choice of providers.

/M

Johnboy1951

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108012466&postcount=5314

I know that this is very very frustrating and that is why we’ve been working with mobile and wireless broadband operators to help them to improve their service to you, so that as many people as possible get access to a service, in the short term.

I see nothing at all wrong with the above where he mentions mobile and wireless.

He states quite clearly it is a short term solution until people get connected to FTTH.
(Of course how 'short' that time is would be anyone's guess.)

ED E

He claims credit for the MNOs slow grind to LTEA when he had nothing to do with it. Municipal and regulatory hurdles are just as big as they were.

Poulgorm

I saw Naughton perform a few days ago, before a Dail committee (televised), concerning the recent announcement of post office closures. I think it was on the Oireachtas channel - saw it by accident.

First time I have seen him on tv. I must say I was impressed. He is not a slick performer, no soundbites, no nonsense. Heaven knows, we have enough of those in the Dail. He seems to be a minister who gets things done. I'm inclined to give him a chance of sorting out the rural broadband fiasco.

Anyway, time will tell.

TimHorton

Poulgorm wrote: »

I saw Naughton perform a few days ago, before a Dail committee (televised), concerning the recent announcement of post office closures. I think it was on the Oireachtas channel - saw it by accident.

First time I have seen him on tv. I must say I was impressed. He is not a slick performer, no soundbites, no nonsense. Heaven knows, we have enough of those in the Dail. He seems to be a minister who gets things done. I'm inclined to give him a chance of sorting out the rural broadband fiasco.

Anyway, time will tell.

Not buying this , The guy is a spoofer and a terrible public speaker...

Poulgorm

TimHorton wrote: »

Not buying this , The guy is a spoofer and a terrible public speaker...

I said in my contribution that he was not a slick performer - that does not mean he does not get things done. We already have a number of slick performers in government - it does not mean they are any good. In fact, a number of them have been shown up as emperors with no clothes.

Whether he is a spoofer or not - time will tell. And fairly quickly too. I am cautiously hopeful...

TimHorton

Poulgorm wrote: »

I saw Naughton perform a few days ago, before a Dail committee (televised), concerning the recent announcement of post office closures. I think it was on the Oireachtas channel - saw it by accident.

First time I have seen him on tv. I must say I was impressed. He is not a slick performer, no soundbites, no nonsense. Heaven knows, we have enough of those in the Dail. He seems to be a minister who gets things done. I'm inclined to give him a chance of sorting out the rural broadband fiasco.

Anyway, time will tell.

His Gander was up over the post office row as a local political opponent got one up on him at a local public meeting last week ,

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/politics/protests-planned-over-assault-on-rural-ireland-37269368.html

KOR101

Naughton has made not a scintilla of difference to the plan. He inherited it and has not interfered with it's progress. It's entirely the Department's baby.

KOR101

No backing down here.....

"Our tax receipts from August were disappointing. You wouldn't want to read too much into one month but this Budget isn't going to be a dramatic one, because we've pre-allocated so much in additional spending in housing, healthcare and broadband and all those areas for next year," Mr Varadkar said.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/we-do-have-to-prioritise-taoiseach-shares-biggest-hints-yet-on-upcoming-budget-2019-37294971.html

fergus1001

KOR101 wrote:

No backing down here.....

it seems that a deal may be at hand at last if they are referencing it in relation to the budget

clohamon

KOR101 wrote: »

Naughton has made not a scintilla of difference to the plan. He inherited it and has not interfered with it's progress. It's entirely the Department's baby.

The ownership model (gap funding) was chosen by him.
The approval of the Eircom 300K network was his decision also.

Marlow

clohamon wrote: »

The ownership model (gap funding) was chosen by him.
The approval of the Eircom 300K network was his decision also.

And the more or less silent renewal of the MAN contracts for eNet without tendering them. Which still is questionable, seeing as the concessions made for said renewal might not have been valid anymore after eNet was first sold to the US and then picked up by the IIF.

All of them being decisions, that aren't precisely something somebody would boast about in hindsight.

/M

Johnboy1951

clohamon wrote: »

The ownership model (gap funding) was chosen by him.

Yes, a decision that will be regretted in the long term, IMO.

The approval of the Eircom 300K network was his decision also.

He had no option with that.
I think he did very well getting any written commitment on the matter.
If he attempted to roll out the NBP in a commercially viable area the whole scheme would be stuck in courts (Irish and EU) for years, while eir proceeded with their 300k roll-out without any commitment.

clohamon

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

He had no option with that.

That depends on an interpretation of the State Aid Guidelines, but he hasn't released the legal advice or the State Aid Report by PWC on which that argument relies.

The State Aid Guidelines require 'areas' not cherrypicked individual premises.
The 300K made up almost 35% of the overall intervention but the mandatory environmental assessments had not been completed in April 2017 - and still aren't published.
The public interest of the 300K Agreement was never assessed as far as we can see (officials say only that it met the narrow technical and financial criteria) but the Department have acknowledged that the overall subsidy will now be far higher.

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I think he did very well getting any written commitment on the matter.
If he attempted to roll out the NBP in a commercially viable area the whole scheme would be stuck in courts (Irish and EU) for years, while eir proceeded with their 300k roll-out without any commitment.

True enough it seems to have been accepted in Brussels, but it's still not clear who initiated the re-opening of discussions with Eircom after it had been refused by Alex White. Simon Coveney is on record saying the reason it was agreed was to speed up deployment.

As for its value in accelerating the roll-out, Eircom had already said they would do it by 2020 regardless. It looks unlikely now that it will be finished much before that anyway.

Standard Toaster

https://m.independent.ie/business/technology/this-time-its-different-eirs-new-owners-taking-a-long-view-on-ireland-37297266.html

The five-year plan, squeezing fibre into the ducts that currently hold copper landlines, will cost €1bn. It’s a big bang, arguably the company’s most ambitious overhaul in 20 years.

More of the same

KOR101

Eir in 'unjustified' charges showdown

https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/eir-in-unjustified-charges-showdown-37296352.html

But, all quiet on the pole charge.

BarryM

"“If you look at this any way critically, you have to see the difference between a genuine telco investor with a track record in other markets and just another institutional investor. NJJ [Xavier Niel’s company] is an investor that doesn’t sell things, it holds onto things. So this is very, very different.”"

On the same day as the Indo piece there were commentaries by Reuters and Bloomberg on Neil. The opinion is that he might try to take one of his major companies private, to avoid a takeover by one or other of the rival telecom operators in France. His revenues in the various markets he operate in are falling, due to competitive pressures. The possible bill for going private in about €3bn.

Prices here are falling also, for example, Virgin is offering a lower monthly fee for new customers. Overall, as has been the case for many years, telecoms is a commodity product. Unless the operator is willing to invest in broadening the base of their offer the basic services are under price pressure. Consequently, for example, the cost of buying and offering live football is booming.

Persiancowboy

Another pathetic piece on eir by Weckler. Beginning to think he's on some sort of retainer with all of the brown-nose articles he pens. No challenging questions about the company's (or the current CEO's) role in the NBP disaster ....the 300,000 extra premises and then their subsequent withdrawal from the process afte all their promises, plus the vexed issue of cost of pole access.