end of the road wrote: » that's not what she said. she said that an employer has a right to dictate what you do and don't wear within reason.
cfuserkildare wrote: » Actually Odhinn, No, Iran pre-1979 was a fairly common holiday destination, way more than Turkey is nowadays, then along came ayatollah khomeini and ousted the Shah.
Dannyriver wrote: » Google the Lebanese civil war ...
Odhinn wrote: » PlaneSpeeking wrote: » +1 Google Iran in the early 70s and before. Better than the rancid ****hole it became. Utter nonsense.
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » +1 Google Iran in the early 70s and before. Better than the rancid ****hole it became.
IBrows89 wrote: » Fair enough, I can understand that. But hate breeds more hate and it's an endless cycle.
jmayo wrote: » Ah yes yet another conflict involving islam and it's primary strains. I seriously wonder what parallel universe some of you jokers live in. The likes of Iran (and even Afghanistan) offered more freedoms and opportunities for women and minorities in the 1960s and 1970s than they have had in the decades since. And why pray tell us is that ?
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » And you clearly think a 1" high plain cross that can barely be seen should be banned, yet a Muslim colleague can wear the full KKK away kit and that is "within reason".
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » Taytoland wrote: » So you think people shouldn't mock Nazism or Communism with a drawing? Are some ideologies more equal than others? Mock away is what I say. Life of Brian is one of my favourites - watched in the night before my Confirmation Mass. Some "faiths" are just pathetically touchy, if we were the same my auntie would have blew up John Cleese.
Taytoland wrote: » So you think people shouldn't mock Nazism or Communism with a drawing? Are some ideologies more equal than others? Mock away is what I say.
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » The people wearing the burka have abhorrent views on the gay community - hence the fact I view them with loathing and mistrust.
Odhinn wrote: » The shah paid 20% of iranian oil revenue to the western powers that put him on his throne, he ran a police state that was strong on torture - akin to pinochets regime. They overthrew a democractic regime in the process.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
jmayo wrote: » But did the regime (.................) created by khomeini was barbaric in some respects.
bubblypop wrote: » I don't think anyone on here, not eotr nor me either, stated that we think a cross should be banned. We said, again, your employer makes the rules. Don't like them? Leave. & when did your apology change from a muslim parent to a Muslim colleague?
end of the road wrote: » no doubt some are but all of them? how would you know that exactly?
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » Believe me, we have both. Whilst I grudgingly accept we can do f**k all about parents, colleagues are not supported. We have had female workers, gay male workers etc - all ignored by visitors. They tend to call over the nearest straight looking bloke and complain "I won't talk to this person, get me a gentleman". Right in front of you. No one says anything against them. All for the money they bring in. Just out of line. Either we're treated the same, or something is badly wrong here.
dennispenn wrote: » You could ask them? Which channel 4 did. The results aren't good for gay people. But they didn't have to poll them to find out what they really think. Perhaps I'm being unfair,if they did the polling in an Islamic majority country,perhaps the results would be different. ðŸ˜
bubblypop wrote: » Chanel 4 asked 1000 people, out of 2.6 million Muslims in Britain. Do you have any idea where these muslims are from or how they were picked? I don't.
52% do not believe that homosexuality should be legal in Britain 47% do not believe that it is acceptable for a school teacher to be homosexual
dennispenn wrote: » Unlike many other surveys of Muslim opinion, which have predominantly been done by phone or online, ICM used face-to-face, in-home research to question a representative sample of 1,000 Muslims across Great Britain. ICM also used a “control sample” to compare what British Muslims thought with the rest of the British population. At the top-line level, the survey suggests that a mainstream British Muslim majority have similar values and attitudes to the wider British public on issues such as support for British institutions and a feeling of belonging to Britain. But looking deeper into the results, a chasm develops between those Muslims surveyed and the wider population on attitudes to liberal values on issues such as gender equality, homosexuality and issues relating to freedom of expression. And it also reveals significant differences on attitudes to violence and terrorism. The survey’s findings include: 34% would inform the police if they thought somebody they knew was getting involved with people who support terrorism in Syria Q: If you thought that someone who is close to you was getting involved with people who support terrorism in Syria, would you report it to the police? 52% do not believe that homosexuality should be legal in Britain Q: To what extent you agree or disagree with each one: homosexuality should be legal in Britain? Net agree 18% (strongly agree 8%, tend to agree 10%) Net disagree: 52% (strongly disagree: 38%, tend to disagree: 14%) 47% do not believe that it is acceptable for a school teacher to be homosexual Q: To what extent do you agree or disagree that it is acceptable for a homosexual person to be a teacher in a school? Net disagree: 47% (strongly disagree: 35%, tend to disagree: 12%) ICM Unlimited interviewed a random sample of 1,081 adults aged 18+ who self-identified themselves as belonging to the Muslim faith. Interviews were carried out face-to-face, in-home, in geographical areas in which minimum Muslims incidence was confirmed by Census to be a minimum of 20%. Interviews took place between 25th April and 31st May 2015 and the data has been weighted to representative of all Muslims by age, gender, work status and region. A nationally representative control sample of 1,008 adults aged 18+ was also conducted, by telephone, between 5th-7th June 2015. Interviews were conducted across the country and the results have been weighted to the profile of all adults. For a copy of the full survey, please visit: www.icmunlimited.com
Dannyriver wrote: » read this one as well while your at ithttps://www.independent.co.uk/voices/british-muslims-ipsos-mori-liberal-imams-islam-a8334196.htmlhttps://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/review-survey-research-muslims-britain-0
Odhinn wrote: » As bad as the current lot are, its at least run by iranians for iranians, not a tinpot shia version of saudi.
Me. Previously. wrote: » A survey was commissioned by Channel 4 into attitudes among British Muslims. Now there were some encouraging positives. Things like a feeling of being "British" and a strong feeling of belonging in their local area(I'd be more interested to see the survey account for how many were living in areas that were predominantly folks with similar backgrounds) were higher than background. There also was a very low level of support for acts of terror. However, over half thought homosexuality shouldn't be legal and nearly half thought Gay people shouldn't be teachers. Nearly a quarter believed Sharia law should be introduced in some areas. Over a third thought wives should always obey their husbands. One in six wanted to live separately to the background culture.
dennispenn wrote: » I did. Why did you post these links? First link is to an opinion piece in the independent where Zack hassan, whoever he is, tells us that young Muslims are becoming more liberal. This is only his opinion of course. He cites maajid nawaz as a reformist. I assume he is talking about reforming Islam? Do you know who maajid nawaz is? He's a man who "actively recruited Pakistani army officer's" to overthrow a government in Egypt He was thrown in jail there for his jihadi ways. He's free now though to commentate and share his view's on Islam to the British public, talking about reform is an absolute joke! But a cunning wordsmith like nawaz can easily fool the kufar. It is only the people who pay close attention to the ex jihadi can see right through him. He's a narcissistic racist!
jmayo wrote: » I can just imagine they are thinking "at least it's my own fellow citizens that are doing this to me, it would be much worse if it was those evil Americans."
Wibbs wrote: » Basically the same results, but read from the other angle. [emphasis mine] Note - and contrary to those who may think me a nazi - I looked at both sides, both positive and negative. The more extreme anti Islam will only concentrate on the negatives and ignore the rest, the more extreme "right on" will only concentrate on the positives and ignore the rest. And this is precisely what we're seeing here. Not a shock. Saw that earlier when Odhinn posted that ME countries were doing their part and he got thanked for it, even though his figures were plucked from the air and not based on reality. One's position going in leads to blinkers to anything outside of it. On both sides.[/QUOTE] Agreed that s why all research needs to be robust and rigourous and tested for bias...an objective meta analysis is probably the only way to get a true picture.
jmayo wrote: » That must be comforting to the poor woman buried up to her neck in sand about to be stoned to death. Or perhaps to the gay guy about to fooked off a building. Or perhaps to those about to be strung up on a crane. I can just imagine they are thinking "at least it's my own fellow citizens that are doing this to me, it would be much worse if it was those evil Americans behind it." Jaysus h on a bicycle you guys really do search for any type of excusitory shyte when it comes to your preferred religion.
Galwayguy35 wrote: » And if the employer told a muslim to remove the burqa would you say they should just leave as well? After all its just a religious symbol.
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