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Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

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Zeek12

jr86 wrote: »

Can't agree I'm afraid, I think it'll be another procession to the title for Dublin, and the year after that, and the year after that...

They are so far ahead it's insane and with such a conveyor belt of talent coming through, there's no hope of them going away anytime soon

Nah, you're missing the point.

All Ireland Final is one day in the year. One day on which anything can happen.
I'm not saying they don't have a conveyor belt or a fantastic squad.

But....hype and pressure can have a strange affect on players.

They were "unbeatable" in 2014 as well remember......

Of course its inevitable the Dubs will be in the final next year.
But if you're Mayo, Tyrone, Kerry, Galway or whoever....are you going into that final with a huge fear?
I'd say not.

The pressure would be completely off.
It's all about the Dubs' 5 in a row!

For all the accolades Dublin took on Sunday, its clear there are a few weaknesses.

Tyrone created a lot of chances.
They kicked 16 wides, and an awful lot of those were very scoreable.
A more experienced and composed side would have punished the opposition much more.

The Dubs struggle with a target man in the square.

Tyrone surrendered more kickouts than many teams would have done in the first half. The Dubs got off light there.

Guys like Brogan, McMenamon, Paul Flynn are not the force they once were.
The squad depth may not be as good next year.

They had a fairly clear run on injuries this year, other than Brogan - who wasn't first choice anyway.

Don't write off the 2019 championship before a ball is even kicked

Audioslaven

ureds wrote: »

The Delegates voted 75% in favour of Mayo lgfa appealing last week's decision in favour of Carnacon tonight.
The saga continues!

Not one bit surprised. This will get very nasty now. Both sides will dig their heels in but those players that left the panel are probably finished with the County set up. It's a harsh lesson for them but they should have seen the season out and then leave. This would be a respectable way to handle this.

Doing it in the middle of the season was designed to cause as much hassle as possible with very little respect for their teammates and the prospects for the season. They have done a lot of damage to Mayo ladies football imo

ureds

Audioslaven wrote: »

seligehgit wrote: »

Far more inclined to believe this version of how walkout occurred.

Well done to the ladies who stayed loyal to the management.

The animosity towards Carnacon based on the initial vote for the club's expulsion from this year's championship must be poisonous in the extreme.

The club have only themselves to blame for getting involved in this mess when there was no welfare issue/issue. They look foolish now with the statement from the team and the Mayo public will have no sympathy for them.

The Delegates voted 75% in favour of Mayo lgfa appealing last week's decision in favour of Carnacon tonight.
The saga continues!

Loafing Oaf

charlie14 wrote: »

I don`t know on James Horan, but looking at the power, pace and physicality of Dublin, to beat them in the championship I would have great doubts if reshuffling and patching up will do it tbh.

Based on my limited knowledge of the club and underage scenes, I'd say whatever chance the 'current crop' have of coming back and winning an All-Ireland over the next two years is much greater than that of a 'new' team.

Audioslaven

seligehgit wrote: »

Far more inclined to believe this version of how walkout occurred.

Well done to the ladies who stayed loyal to the management.

The animosity towards Carnacon based on the initial vote for the club's expulsion from this year's championship must be poisonous in the extreme.

The club have only themselves to blame for getting involved in this mess when there was no welfare issue/issue. They look foolish now with the statement from the team and the Mayo public will have no sympathy for them.

Audioslaven

muddle84 wrote: »

Hanley and James Durcan showed potential last year and hopefully they get a run in the league. (Both forwards, Durcan has showed he can score)

From what I saw of Durcan, he has the potential to be a right good player. He is a little bit raw but the speed of him and the runs were really good. He can only get better.

charlie14

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I'd say most of those will be 'found' by reshuffling the current pack, even if this means in the case of the midfielder patching SOS and/or Parsons together with string and selllotape. If Mayo are to win an All-Ireland in the next year or two, IMO it'll have to be with essentially the same team as they've had since James Horan took over, quite possibly with Horan himself back in charge...

I don`t know on James Horan, but looking at the power, pace and physicality of Dublin, to beat them in the championship I would have great doubts if reshuffling and patching up will do it tbh.

charlie14

muddle84 wrote: »

On the kerry U21 point. I think that is largely down to Kerry not caring about U21 success (IMO). They showed that this year by keeping O'Shea( I believe he was eligible this year) and Clifford from the U20. Do you think that Mayo or Kildare team had anything capable of dealing with David Clifford? I don't!

I don't think Mayo or Kerry for that matter have the depth to create the environment that is producing players like Howard and Murchan sadly. But we do have things to look forward to this year once we get a manager sorted.
Hanley and James Durcan showed potential last year and hopefully they get a run in the league. (Both forwards, Durcan has showed he can score)
I really thought Caolan Crowe put in a good shift against McBrearty in the league when Donegal had everything to lose. ( fullback maybe?)
Diarmuid O'Connor showed in the kildare game that he belongs in Midfield. Not sure who to put in there along with him though.
The U20 panel have some very good footballers, albeit, not that big, but there is potential there that I also hope gets a run in either the FBD league and the Allianz league

With O Shea and Clifford moving to the seniors rather than the U20`s I think it was a case of needs must as much as anything else. Kerry have serious problems at the back and their mid field is creaking a bit. Both areas that need physicality that I`m not sure Kerry can fill in the immediate future from their recent underage teams.

You may be correct in the Mayo lads you mentioned, but they will need all the game time they can get in the league imho but that still leaves a need for another mid fielder as you said. An area with that with their press on kick-outs Dublin can seriously do damage in. That hasn`t been lessened this year with the introduction of Howard out around the middle.
As well as getting as much game time as possible for the lads you mentioned there is also the need to strengthen the bench. Not easy to do both in a relatively short number of competitive games between now and the start of the 2019 championship.

seligehgit

Far more inclined to believe this version of how walkout occurred.

Well done to the ladies who stayed loyal to the management.

The animosity towards Carnacon based on the initial vote for the club's expulsion from this year's championship must be poisonous in the extreme.

seligehgit

'No player welfare issues exist': Mayo Ladies squad issue statement following controversial player departures

https://www-the42-ie.cdn.ampproject.org/v/www.the42.ie/mayo-ladies-football-statement-player-welfare-carnacon-4218033-Sep2018/?amp=1&usqp=mq331AQCCAE%3D&amp_js_v=0.1#referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

Loafing Oaf

Audioslaven wrote: »

I hope Horan or Solan or the two together

Now that sounds like a plan. Reduce the burden on JH, obviate some of the need for an extensive backroom team that has been causing such angst...

JustJoe7240

PressRun wrote: »

Paddy Power just suspended betting. Not sure if that's an indication that something's afoot.

I'd imagine it's just a case of liability limits being reached, it'll be up again shortly

PressRun

Don't think I'd be too keen on O'Connor myself. Would prefer someone who has good knowledge of Mayo football.

Audioslaven

PressRun wrote: »

Paddy Power just suspended betting. Not sure if that's an indication that something's afoot.

As long as Jack O'Connor waits where he is, I will be glad. I hope Horan or Solan or the two together get the gig and more importantly want it

Audioslaven

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

82 All-Ireland is the first one I remember. Pretty large gaps in my knowledge before that I'm afraid...

It was a good mayo man that delivered that title to Offaly and rightly so too

PressRun

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

oh and a manager and backroom team, what’s the latest rumour on that?

Paddy Power just suspended betting. Not sure if that's an indication that something's afoot.

[Deleted User]

Right now we cannot summise if Mayo are still a team to take on Dublin.

The reality is that in 2018 they sucked in the league and basically sucked in the championship.

In 2019 they will be two years older since their last real cut at it.

I personally think Dublin are beatable, Mayo have shown that they are beatable or close to beatable. But it takes utter and complete focus and discipline, and a bit of luck, all thinks that Mayo did not have 100% in 2016 and 2017.

As I said a few weeks back they basically need a new full back line member, a new midfield, and a new scoring forward, oh and a manager and backroom team, what’s the latest rumour on that?

They are good enough to get back to another final, but I think they need to win Connacht to do that.

Kerry have a lot of rebuilding to do, but they are the kind of place that can do that quickly.

muddle84

charlie14 wrote: »

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

The likes of Tyrone, Galway, Monaghan could play Dublin the next five AIFs and never get near beating them. Mayo and Kerry are the only two teams with the potential to topple the Dubs next year. On the other hand it's perfectly possible (especially if they get the managerial appointments wrong) that neither will reach the last eight...

With Mayo having ran them closest in the last few years and with Kerry having won the last 5 minor AI`s in a row it would seem to indicate that they are the two teams with the most potential to beat Dublin.
Where I would see a problem for both in the near future is that it may be some time before Kerry can bring on those minors to senior to even challenge Dublin let alone beat them. Especially when you consider that for all their underage talent they have not even appeared in an AI U 21 final since 2008. Since 2011 when Dublin went on this run AI senior run they have won U21 three times, Galway twice, Mayo, Tyrone and Kildare (U20) one each..

For Mayo the problem I would see, in the short term at leas,t is that they need to find a full back, at least one more defender, a mid fielder, at least one more scoring forward as well to seriously strengthen their bench.
Not impossible, but can Mayo do that in the seamless way that Dublin can when you consider the seamless introduction over just the past two years with the likes of O`Callaghan, Howard and Murchan ?

On the kerry U21 point. I think that is largely down to Kerry not caring about U21 success (IMO). They showed that this year by keeping O'Shea( I believe he was eligible this year) and Clifford from the U20. Do you think that Mayo or Kildare team had anything capable of dealing with David Clifford? I don't!

I don't think Mayo or Kerry for that matter have the depth to create the environment that is producing players like Howard and Murchan sadly. But we do have things to look forward to this year once we get a manager sorted.
Hanley and James Durcan showed potential last year and hopefully they get a run in the league. (Both forwards, Durcan has showed he can score)
I really thought Caolan Crowe put in a good shift against McBrearty in the league when Donegal had everything to lose. ( fullback maybe?)
Diarmuid O'Connor showed in the kildare game that he belongs in Midfield. Not sure who to put in there along with him though.
The U20 panel have some very good footballers, albeit, not that big, but there is potential there that I also hope gets a run in either the FBD league and the Allianz league

Loafing Oaf

charlie14 wrote: »

For Mayo the problem I would see, in the short term at leas,t is that they need to find a full back, at least one more defender, a mid fielder, at least one more scoring forward as well to seriously strengthen their bench.
Not impossible, but can Mayo do that in the seamless way that Dublin can

I'd say most of those will be 'found' by reshuffling the current pack, even if this means in the case of the midfielder patching SOS and/or Parsons together with string and selllotape. If Mayo are to win an All-Ireland in the next year or two, IMO it'll have to be with essentially the same team as they've had since James Horan took over, quite possibly with Horan himself back in charge...

statto25

Looks like a new home jersey is on the way. Oneills have pulled the current jersey from their website and a "coming soon" banner put in its place

charlie14

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

The likes of Tyrone, Galway, Monaghan could play Dublin the next five AIFs and never get near beating them. Mayo and Kerry are the only two teams with the potential to topple the Dubs next year. On the other hand it's perfectly possible (especially if they get the managerial appointments wrong) that neither will reach the last eight...

With Mayo having ran them closest in the last few years and with Kerry having won the last 5 minor AI`s in a row it would seem to indicate that they are the two teams with the most potential to beat Dublin.
Where I would see a problem for both in the near future is that it may be some time before Kerry can bring on those minors to senior to even challenge Dublin let alone beat them. Especially when you consider that for all their underage talent they have not even appeared in an AI U 21 final since 2008. Since 2011 when Dublin went on this run AI senior run they have won U21 three times, Galway twice, Mayo, Tyrone and Kildare (U20) one each..

For Mayo the problem I would see, in the short term at leas,t is that they need to find a full back, at least one more defender, a mid fielder, at least one more scoring forward as well to seriously strengthen their bench.
Not impossible, but can Mayo do that in the seamless way that Dublin can when you consider the seamless introduction over just the past two years with the likes of O`Callaghan, Howard and Murchan ?

crusier

God, that hurt, you're awful!

dog_pig

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Ah yes
The Galway poster raises their head a full three weeks after their pathetic back to back championship humiliatings.

Humiliations?

Loafing Oaf

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

I thought that was common knowledge? I certainly always knew that, even when I was a kid.

82 All-Ireland is the first one I remember. Pretty large gaps in my knowledge before that I'm afraid...

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I only learned yesterday that Offaly had been in the AIF in 1981 and ran Kerry close enough by the look of it. the legend of the team that came from nowhere to stop Kerry's galllop has kind of airbrushed that bit out...

I thought that was common knowledge? I certainly always knew that, even when I was a kid.

Loafing Oaf

blanch152 wrote: »

Offaly also played Kerry in the All-Ireland semi in 1980. It is why some think Tyrone are the team that will beat Dublin.

Offaly lost a semi, then a final, before beating Kerry.

The likes of Tyrone, Galway, Monaghan could play Dublin the next five AIFs and never get near beating them. Mayo and Kerry are the only two teams with the potential to topple the Dubs next year. On the other hand it's perfectly possible (especially if they get the managerial appointments wrong) that neither will reach the last eight...

blanch152

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I only learned yesterday that Offaly had been in the AIF in 1981 and ran Kerry close enough by the look of it. the legend of the team that came from nowhere to stop Kerry's galllop has kind of airbrushed that bit out...

Offaly also played Kerry in the All-Ireland semi in 1980. It is why some think Tyrone are the team that will beat Dublin.

Offaly lost a semi, then a final, before beating Kerry.

Loafing Oaf

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Name the Connacht championship medal winner that laid a hit on a Kerry player in that 1981 final that would see him get a lengthy ban in this and age ?

On that day Kerry just got a free, no booking or anything for the offender.

The one whose nephew is a superstar golfer?;)

No John Smalls back in those days evidently...

boosabum

Must be Lowry

[Deleted User]

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I only learned yesterday that Offaly had been in the AIF in 1981 and ran Kerry close enough by the look of it. the legend of the team that came from nowhere to stop Kerry's galllop has kind of airbrushed that bit out...

Name the Connacht championship medal winner that laid a hit on a Kerry player in that 1981 final that would see him get a lengthy ban in this and age ?

On that day Kerry just got a free, no booking or anything for the offender.

If anyone has a link to a video of it please post it, its class.