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Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

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Probably time to open a new thread for the 2018 season?

Silly season is still in full swing as we all know with Williams and Sauber not having confirmed their line ups as yet.

What are people's opinions on the Halo and Alfa Romeo for 2018?

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skipper_G

GarIT wrote: »

What I meant was their HAAS' defence was that they had to use an illegal floor as they couldn't have a legal floor made in time. I was wondering whether they could have just broken any offending bits off and patched over the holes with duct tape to make it legal.

HAAS said they couldn't make a new floor, I'm saying they could have, maybe just not with carbon fiber.

You're suggesting they could have made the floor legal by breaking bits off and patching up the gaps with gaffer tape? I can't see how that would be a realistic option in any scenario, the floor is too critical for how the airflow channels around the rear of the car. It needs to be stable to work effectively

GarIT

Motorsport.com is saying that Leclerc to Ferrari is now a done deal as they have stopped trying to back out of the contract they agreed with him after Kimi didn't win.

Also saying that Toro Rosso said Kvyat is the favourite at the moment and either has a contract or will sign one in the next few days.

GarIT

skipper_G wrote: »

No it was the dimensions of the floor's leading edge, not the material used.

What I meant was their HAAS' defence was that they had to use an illegal floor as they couldn't have a legal floor made in time. I was wondering whether they could have just broken any offending bits off and patched over the holes with duct tape to make it legal.

HAAS said they couldn't make a new floor, I'm saying they could have, maybe just not with carbon fiber.

ayux4rj6zql2ph

They only went after the car that scored the points, will the decision be overturned by the court of appeal though?

Ferrari and the bargeboard saga comes to mind.

PopePalpatine

Nope, I guess the stewards saw his early damage as punishment enough.

pjohnson

Wait I never heard Magnussen was DQ'd?

El_Duderino 09

AMKC wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Seems legit.

Haas has been disqualified and are appealing.

The FIA clarified a rule about the floor and expected fall teams to comply in monza. Haas emailed the FIA to say they are at the mercy of suppliers and will have the correct floor for Singapore.

The FIA didn’t respond to the email so haas assumed they agreed. But FIA say they didn’t get to the email so they can’t have agreed.

Hard to tell how it will work out.

What have they been disqualified from? The rest of the season which would surly not look good for any team thinking of entering F1 in the future or just the the race gone or coming up. No Haas at Singapore would be a pity. Think Haas could do well there.

Disqualified from the monza GP for having an illegal floor. As long as they have a legal floor in Singapore, they’ll be fine.

Same rules apply to every team every race.

Harika

AMKC wrote: »

I agree about Schumaher retiring too soon. If he had of stayed another year or even a few more he surly would have won the WDC in 2007 and maybe the next year too.

Schumacher was under fierce pressure from the young generation. Kimi and Montoya nearly defeated him the two years before, Alonso defeated him for two years in a row. It was time to call it an end, his generation had retired. I think only Rubens was still there from when he started.

Charlie-Bravo

It's a DQ from the Italain GP for fielding a car that was not compliant with the regulkations. Be hard to apply this to previous GPs, and I'm sure they'll correct it for the future GPs.

ELM327

AMKC wrote: »

What have they been disqualified from? The rest of the season which would surly not look good for any team thinking of entering F1 in the future or just the the race gone or coming up. No Haas at Singapore would be a pity. Think Haas could do well there.

As it stands they were excluded from the race results from Monza, pending appeal.

AMKC

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

Yes Monaco was the big one in 2012.

43 when he finally packed up. Hamilton was signed before Schumacher made the decision to finally quit, which gives me the impression he was pushed out.

He retired too soon in 2006.

Kimi Raikkonen is 39 next month.

I agree about Schumaher retiring too soon. If he had of stayed another year or even a few more he surly would have won the WDC in 2007 and maybe the next year too.

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Stoffell looked a real prospect in GP2, I had him earmarked as a future contender. That dog of a McLaren can't have helped either and with Alonso going chances are it'll be a race winning car next year - isnt that the usual course of events

Would not surprise me at all. Be great to see Mclaren racing at the front again.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Seems legit.

Haas has been disqualified and are appealing.

The FIA clarified a rule about the floor and expected fall teams to comply in monza. Haas emailed the FIA to say they are at the mercy of suppliers and will have the correct floor for Singapore.

The FIA didn’t respond to the email so haas assumed they agreed. But FIA say they didn’t get to the email so they can’t have agreed.

Hard to tell how it will work out.

What have they been disqualified from? The rest of the season which would surly not look good for any team thinking of entering F1 in the future or just the the race gone or coming up. No Haas at Singapore would be a pity. Think Haas could do well there.

skipper_G

GarIT wrote: »

I wonder if the floor has to be a particular material, would covering the slots they weren't allowed have with duct tape have been enough?

No it was the dimensions of the floor's leading edge, not the material used.

GarIT

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Seems legit.

Haas has been disqualified and are appealing.

The FIA clarified a rule about the floor and expected fall teams to comply in monza. Haas emailed the FIA to say they are at the mercy of suppliers and will have the correct floor for Singapore.

The FIA didn’t respond to the email so haas assumed they agreed. But FIA say they didn’t get to the email so they can’t have agreed.

Hard to tell how it will work out.

I wonder if the floor has to be a particular material, would covering the slots they weren't allowed have with duct tape have been enough?

El_Duderino 09

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

Renault have protested the Haas car. Desperation on their behalf?

Seems legit.

Haas has been disqualified and are appealing.

The FIA clarified a rule about the floor and expected fall teams to comply in monza. Haas emailed the FIA to say they are at the mercy of suppliers and will have the correct floor for Singapore.

The FIA didn’t respond to the email so haas assumed they agreed. But FIA say they didn’t get to the email so they can’t have agreed.

Hard to tell how it will work out.

El_Duderino 09

vectra wrote: »

Jordan 199 wrote: »

If Vettel wants to win the championship, I don't think he can keep on making mistakes like he did today.

I think at this point he is going to need the Gods behind him.
He is literally throwing it away,
I think Ferrari backed the wrong driver this season with the car they have.

I agree that Vettel needs luck like a Hamilton retirement. But I don’t think Kimi has been even nearly as fast as Vettel over the season so far. Occasionally Kimi has matched Seb, and in monks he beat Seb in quali. But Ferrari definitely backed the faster of the two drivers.

Even with the Germany crash and yesterday’s crash, Kimi is still well behind Seb in the drivers championship.

LollipopJimmy

Stoffell looked a real prospect in GP2, I had him earmarked as a future contender. That dog of a McLaren can't have helped either and with Alonso going chances are it'll be a race winning car next year - isnt that the usual course of events

Cool_CM

McLaren twitter just confirmed Norris as the 2nd driver for next season

https://twitter.com/McLarenF1/status/1036569605102288896?s=19

GarIT

ELM327 wrote: »

What seats are left for next year?

Toro rosso, cant see him landing there either

Anywhere else? Can't believe the likes of stroll, sirotkin, etc are in F1 for next year but someone like Ocon is potentially out.

Toto Wolf has said that Ocon has a deal done for next year. Did say who but said he is guaranteed to be in F1 next year.

Sauber, Williams Toro Rosso and Staying at Racing Point are potential options.

Mercedes will pay cash to any team that lets Ocon drive as they want Ocon to replace Bottas when the time comes, how much is part of the question.

Toro Rosso have said they will be considering non-Red Bull program drivers as they have a passionate hatred of captain slow so want two new drivers and will take anyone decent they can get.

Williams has at least one free seat, they would ditch Sirotkin too in a heartbeat if you have some speed and enough cash.

Sauber has new investment both from Alfa and their shareholders, they are considering dumping Ericsson as they don't need a pay driver any more, but the shareholders are friends of his father so it's a complicated situation. Leclerc has a contract signed with Ferrari for 2019 but they are trying to get him to delay that by a year. Marichone signed the contract with Leclerc and then died less than a month laster, nobody else are Ferrari wants Leclerc this year, they all want to keep Kimi. If Leclerc does go to Ferrari there are two seats there.

Racing point hasn't confirmed any drivers. Perez has said he has a deal in place for next year with Racing Point but is talking to other teams.

HAAS said they were talking to other drivers, then said they will be keeping both drivers with Grosjean's recent performances but haven't actually confirmed anything.

GarIT

flazio wrote: »

Sainz is already confirmed

As well as Ocon being confirmed to be too big for the current car and the one they have already started designing for next year. It would take big money from Mercedes to get Ocon into next years McLaren.

ELM327

flazio wrote: »

Sainz is already confirmed

Rightio.
So that is pretty much pushing Ocon out of the series then.
What seats are left for next year?
Kimi's drive potentially but they wont accept a mercedes driver there
Toro rosso, cant see him landing there either

Anywhere else? Can't believe the likes of stroll, sirotkin, etc are in F1 for next year but someone like Ocon is potentially out.

pjohnson

ELM327 wrote: »

To be expected tbh. He's had his chance and not done anything.
Lando would be the next man up now. Lando and who for next year? Ocon?

For McLaren? They've Sainz signed.

I'm suprised Vandoorne seems set to finish the season. I was thinking if Stroll does move to Force India then it would be whoever he replaces at FI that would take the McLaren seat from Vandoorne asap.

flazio

ELM327 wrote: »

To be expected tbh. He's had his chance and not done anything.
Lando would be the next man up now. Lando and who for next year? Ocon?

Sainz is already confirmed

ELM327

Cool_CM wrote: »

Looks like Vandoorne is gone at the end of the season

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12479/11489381/stoffel-vandoorne-dropped-by-mclaren-for-f1-2019

To be expected tbh. He's had his chance and not done anything.
Lando would be the next man up now. Lando and who for next year? Ocon?

Harika

https://twitter.com/ernie1c/status/1036537841239695360

ORF, the Austrian free television with 7 Million people, reports an increase in F1 viewers in Monza. 648.000 in average up by 129.000 from last year. That's the same as Sky UK F1 produces (Spa, no Monza numbers yet up) with a country 10 times the population.

ayux4rj6zql2ph

Cool_CM wrote: »

Looks like Vandoorne is gone at the end of the season

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12479/11489381/stoffel-vandoorne-dropped-by-mclaren-for-f1-2019

Hardly a surprise really. Who would be the favourite? Ocon or Perez? I think Norris might end up at Toro Rosso alongside Kvyat with Hartley being dropped as well.

Cool_CM

Looks like Vandoorne is gone at the end of the season

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12479/11489381/stoffel-vandoorne-dropped-by-mclaren-for-f1-2019

vectra

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

They did it after Kimi's stop as well for whatever reason.

Time that practice was outlawed across the board.

No pit crew on pit lane until their car is actually entering the pit lane.
That way there would be no dummies or confusion.
You are either pitting or not.
Simple.

GarIT

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

They did it after Kimi's stop as well for whatever reason.

Time that practice was outlawed across the board.

It is except for cases of genuine strategy, Mercedes can say that they were going to do the opposite of Kimi and that's good enough.

They did it after because they intended to pit right after Kimi once they were a pitstop ahead, which they might have been able to do in one lap if hammertime had gained them a second but they didn't so they had to wait.

It would be difficult to outlaw it completely as you would have to make decisions before knowing what your opponent is doing.

PukkaStukka

meeeeh wrote: »

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

Mercedes dummied Ferrari by coming out into the pit box that's what happened. Even if Hamilton pitted first I reckon Raikkonen would have gotten the job done. Bottas is a clear wingman and nothing else. Mercedes thanked their lucky stars when Rosberg retired and opted not to pick another driver who could challenge the superiority of their darling Louise.

Seb is faster driver and there is a reason why he is Ferraris first driver.

Agree, but it's impossible to fathom why they didn't issue team orders. Vettel should've led into turn 1 today. Vettel should've been the second Ferrari across the line yesterday and got the benefit of the tow. Mercedes won today because Ferrari threw it away through complacency, whereas Mercedes made the best of Bottas and got the job done. This is going the same way as it did this time last year with mistakes and poor decisions being Ferraris undoing. They need to knuckle down and stop faffing around.

chicorytip

GarIT wrote:

Kimi and Ferrari lost today on strategy alone. Disregarding Vettel, Kimi pit too early got stuck behind Bottas when Bottas stayed out and tyres wore out before Hamilton because they were older. At the start of the race Kimi had Hamilton beat, if he waited to pit on the same lap or a lap after Hamilton he would have won.

Kimi drove a brilliant first lap but was unable to extend his lead over Lewis by more than one second. Seb would have been half a mile up the road if similarly positioned. Kimi ought to have been able to overtake Bottas quickly - thus reducing tyre damage - but again lacked sufficient speed despite Bottas lapping at a much slower pace than Hamilton. He is obviously still committed and trying his utmost but his skills and stamina are in sharp decline. He is almost twenty years older than the youngest man on the grid! At the rate these new kids are coming along any driver aged over twenty five will be considered past it in the near future.