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Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

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Probably time to open a new thread for the 2018 season?

Silly season is still in full swing as we all know with Williams and Sauber not having confirmed their line ups as yet.

What are people's opinions on the Halo and Alfa Romeo for 2018?

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meeeeh

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

Mercedes dummied Ferrari by coming out into the pit box that's what happened. Even if Hamilton pitted first I reckon Raikkonen would have gotten the job done. Bottas is a clear wingman and nothing else. Mercedes thanked their lucky stars when Rosberg retired and opted not to pick another driver who could challenge the superiority of their darling Louise.

I don't think there was much to it. They would do exactly the opposite to what Ferrari did. If they pitted first Hamilton would put in a couple of hot laps and drive off into distance. Merc was better on it's tyres today. I thought the tyres also worked better in Spa but then Vettel was just so much faster to build some distance between himself and Hamilton, Kimi wasn't. Seb is faster driver and there is a reason why he is Ferraris first driver.

ayux4rj6zql2ph

GarIT wrote: »

I know but they should have seen that coming. They've been around long enough to see that many times before.

They did it after Kimi's stop as well for whatever reason.

Time that practice was outlawed across the board.

GarIT

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

Mercedes dummied Ferrari by coming out into the pit box that's what happened.

I know but they should have seen that coming. They've been around long enough to see that many times before.

ayux4rj6zql2ph

GarIT wrote: »

Kimi and Ferrari lost today on strategy alone. Disregarding Vettel, Kimi pit too early got stuck behind Bottas when Bottas stayed out and tyres wore out before Hamilton because they were older. At the start of the race Kimi had Hamilton beat, if he waited to pit on the same lap or a lap after Hamilton he would have won.

Mercedes dummied Ferrari by coming out into the pit box that's what happened. Even if Hamilton pitted first I reckon Raikkonen would have gotten the job done. Bottas is a clear wingman and nothing else. Mercedes thanked their lucky stars when Rosberg retired and opted not to pick another driver who could challenge the superiority of their darling Louise.

GarIT

Kimi and Ferrari lost today on strategy alone. Disregarding Vettel, Kimi pit too early got stuck behind Bottas when Bottas stayed out and tyres wore out before Hamilton because they were older. At the start of the race Kimi had Hamilton beat, if he waited to pit on the same lap or a lap after Hamilton he would have won.

chicorytip

skipper_G wrote:

Kimi is driving well this season generally speaking, however his biggest weakness has been inconsistency. The mission of a formula 1 team is simple, make the car go faster. Would Leclerc be any worse than Kimi, probably not. Would he be any better than Kimi, possibly. It's a risk worth taking

He might win the odd race or two. Victories have not been a feature of Raikkonen's latter career. Bottas wins the occasional one as do both Red Bull's. Leclerc would not be my choice. I think it should be a more experienced head. Ricciardo would have been a perfect fit.

vectra

chicorytip wrote: »

Kimi has to go, I say with regret. He now lacks the necessary speed and stamina - crucially in the latter stages of races. It's just the natural ageing process. He could not overtake Bottas despite driving the quicker machine and with new tyres. Victory was lost because of that. If they decide to keep him he could end up like the old footballer who plays on for too long only to end up embarrassing himself.

I think you are wrong in fairness. Victory was lost today because of Vettels desperation to win.
Did you not see Kimi was fighting against both Mercs on track with no hand?
Had Vettel been up there it would have very likely been a different result.

ayux4rj6zql2ph

Renault have protested the Haas car. Desperation on their behalf?

Frank Bullitt

vectra wrote: »

I think at this point he is going to need the Gods behind him.
He is literally throwing it away,
I think Ferrari backed the wrong driver this season with the car they have.

They probably would have if he was faster.

skipper_G

Kimi is driving well this season generally speaking, however his biggest weakness has been inconsistency. The mission of a formula 1 team is simple, make the car go faster. Would Leclerc be any worse than Kimi, probably not. Would he be any better than Kimi, possibly. It's a risk worth taking

ayux4rj6zql2ph

Inviere wrote: »

It's really difficult to say, the Mercedes wasn't fighting for titles back then. The Ferrari now is. Michael's racecraft may have been rusty, but he showed in Monaco (which is the biggest test of skill), that he could still put on a show for everyone.

I think Kimi drove very very well today, his tires let him down more than anything else. Could Ferrari have left him out longer before stopping him?

Yes Monaco was the big one in 2012.

chicorytip wrote: »

Schumacher was forty-one, I think, when he finally quit after his stint with Mercedes. He was driving an uncompetitive car so you could hardly be that critical of his performances but, still, here was a seven time champion down amongst the also rans. He came out of retirement for the wrong reasons and probably thought he could win titles again.

43 when he finally packed up. Hamilton was signed before Schumacher made the decision to finally quit, which gives me the impression he was pushed out.

He retired too soon in 2006.

Kimi Raikkonen is 39 next month.

chicorytip

Prisoner 6753 wrote:

Would you compare Kimi to Schumacher in his Mercedes dats?

Schumacher was forty-one, I think, when he finally quit after his stint with Mercedes. He was driving an uncompetitive car so you could hardly be that critical of his performances but, still, here was a seven time champion down amongst the also rans. He came out of retirement for the wrong reasons and probably thought he could win titles again.

Inviere

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

Would you compare Kimi to Schumacher in his Mercedes dats?

It's really difficult to say, the Mercedes wasn't fighting for titles back then. The Ferrari now is. Michael's racecraft may have been rusty, but he showed in Monaco (which is the biggest test of skill), that he could still put on a show for everyone.

I think Kimi drove very very well today, his tires let him down more than anything else. Could Ferrari have left him out longer before stopping him?

ayux4rj6zql2ph

chicorytip wrote: »

Kimi has to go, I say with regret. He now lacks the necessary speed and stamina - crucially in the latter stages of races. It's just the natural ageing process. He could not overtake Bottas despite driving the quicker machine and with new tyres. Victory was lost because of that. If they decide to keep him he could end up like the old footballer who plays on for too long only to end up embarrassing himself.

Would you compare Kimi to Schumacher in his Mercedes days?

chicorytip

GarIT wrote:

AMuS reporting that Leclerc has signed with Ferrari but Ferrari are trying to get out of it. HAAS have confirmed they are keeping both of their drivers. Toto Wolf has said Ocon has a drive for next year.

Kimi has to go, I say with regret. He now lacks the necessary speed and stamina - crucially in the latter stages of races. It's just the natural ageing process. He could not overtake Bottas despite driving the quicker machine and with new tyres. Victory was lost because of that. If they decide to keep him he could end up like the old footballer who plays on for too long only to end up embarrassing himself.

ELM327

vectra wrote: »

I think at this point he is going to need the Gods behind him.
He is literally throwing it away,

+1
Vettel will now probably lose the title, and for at least 2 serious driver errors. First in Germany and now here. And I think there was at least 1 other that escapes memory.
That's 75 points thrown away to Lewis with probably less than 20 consolation points.

vectra wrote: »

I think Ferrari backed the wrong driver this season with the car they have.

I don't think Kimi would do any better than seb tbh. Hard to know as he has had to play second fiddle the whole season, like Bottas today.

Unfortunately this season will again go to Lewis in all likelihood but at least Ferrari are giving it a go and it's not just 100% mercedes dominance.

GarIT

kopite386 wrote: »

I'm trying to figure out how the teams will shape up next season so this is what I've come up with so far. I can't think of who will go into the Torro Rosso. I can't see Williams letting Siroktin go when he's a pay driver and the other Williams driver I'm thinking will either be Russel or Ocon.

Ferrari - Vettel and Kimi
Mercedes - Hamilton and Bottas
Red Bull - Verstappen and Gasly
Force India - Perez and Stroll
Haas - Magnussen and LeClerc
Torro Rosso -
McLaren - Sainz and Norris
Williams - Russel and Siroktin
Sauber - Giovannzzi and Erisken

AMuS reporting that Leclerc has signed with Ferrari but Ferrari are trying to get out of it. HAAS have confirmed they are keeping both of their drivers. Toto Wolf has said Ocon has a drive for next year.

vectra

Jordan 199 wrote: »

If Vettel wants to win the championship, I don't think he can keep on making mistakes like he did today.

I think at this point he is going to need the Gods behind him.
He is literally throwing it away,
I think Ferrari backed the wrong driver this season with the car they have.

Jordan 199

If Vettel wants to win the championship, I don't think he can keep on making mistakes like he did today.

kopite386

Think this answers the rumours about JEV returning

https://twitter.com/SkySportsF1/status/1036234414576087046?s=19

kopite386

I'm trying to figure out how the teams will shape up next season so this is what I've come up with so far. I can't think of who will go into the Torro Rosso. I can't see Williams letting Siroktin go when he's a pay driver and the other Williams driver I'm thinking will either be Russel or Ocon.

Ferrari - Vettel and Kimi
Mercedes - Hamilton and Bottas
Red Bull - Verstappen and Gasly
Force India - Perez and Stroll
Haas - Magnussen and LeClerc
Torro Rosso -
McLaren - Sainz and Norris
Williams - Russel and Siroktin
Sauber - Giovannzzi and Erisken

El_Duderino 09

flazio wrote: »

You know, I reckon Lance Stroll could be a decent oval track racer.

His dad will have to buy an Indy team to find out

flazio

You know, I reckon Lance Stroll could be a decent oval track racer.

AMKC

Guy Martin and Jenson Button are on Channel 4 at 18.30 or 19.30 on the +1 in the F1 special where Guy races the 1983 FW08 C Williams that Ayrton Senna first drove and Jenson is in a Williams six wheeled prototype that never raced before. Its very good. Well worth watching. Watched it myself this morning as had it recorded from the first time C4 had it on.

El_Duderino 09

There’s a 25 min interview with Alonso on the chequered flag podcast. Looking forward to listening to it today.

GarIT

AMKC wrote: »

Can't blame them really if they think it goes against how hey want there brand to be seen and what there brand stands for.
I do not think it has done Pirelli any harm do. Has it ?

The tyers blowing up on 5+ cars every race a few years ago did damage their brand. They were forced to design tyres to those specifications and then it backfired on them.

AMKC

Harika wrote: »

Michelin won't apply to become tyre supplier for F1, mainly because of the requirements of degradation tyres.

Can't blame them really if they think it goes against how hey want there brand to be seen and what there brand stands for.
I do not think it has done Pirelli any harm do. Has it ?

skipper_G

flazio wrote: »

Any idea of where they want to hold it? It'd be nice to go back to the Nurburgring.

Hockenheim is announced for 2019 already, there's the possibility of them alternating with the Nurburgring after that though. Seen a few rumours floating around to that effect

Vic_08

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Make it 10....shouldnt be allowed atall

And then how are FIA going to get anyone competent to work for them? It would be a career death sentence in a very specialised field.

It was certainly an issue in the past when teams got away with all sorts because the FIA officials were not experienced or knowledgeable enough to understand half of the tricks that the top teams were using.

GarIT

flazio wrote: »

Any idea of where they want to hold it? It'd be nice to go back to the Nurburgring.

Article a few days ago said there wasn't a contract in place but there was a handshake deal done between the management of Hockenheim and either the FIA or FOM at Spa.