Should we protest against the pope's visit?

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

They are...Educate Together Schools are springing up everywhere. If there's call for one and a site available in the vicinity they'll look in to setting one up.

The standard of education they provide is pretty poor compared to a Catholic school.

lawred2

RasTa wrote: »

Seen this on broadsheet today and it cracked me up. They should make a Child's Play type horror with that feckin doll. €35?! too

Pope expo

cheap tat

lawred2

padd b1975 wrote: »

The standard of education they provide is pretty poor compared to a Catholic school.

you've been through both have you?

Hannibal_Smith

padd b1975 wrote: »

The standard of education they provide is pretty poor compared to a Catholic school.

What's your source for that gem?

JupiterKid wrote: »

The amount of sucking up to the church and Vatican the Govt is currenly doing is nauaeating.

As I've stated before, I've no problem with the Pope visiting but I am angry that a substantial sum of my tax money is going towards this event and that there is no real, genuine plea for atonement on the immense damage the church inflicted on this country.

At best the govt should be completely neutral on this visit abd not be willing to pay towards it. Icy politeness would be apt here.

It's gotten completely ridiculous at this stage - the cost, the disruption, the displacement of homeless people as a result, asking locals along the route to register themselves and imposing limits on how many houseguests they can have, and of course the media spin from RTE...

All for the visit of a guy whose organisation has caused massive suffering to generations of Irish citizens and at a time when more people than ever want nothing to do with his Church.

Yep, the Government really have the pulse of the nation on this one, but sure it'll be a good photo op for our profile/media obsessed Taoiseach and it'll help sway the "grey vote" in the next election (which is a very real objective I think), so who cares what the majority want, right?

lawred2 wrote: »

you've been through both have you?

Nope, but I've a sister who's a teacher and had two new pupils who moved into the area from somewhere served by Educate Together schools.

In over twenty years experience as a teacher she never had such poor reading and arithmetic skills at that age.

Of course the parents would hear nothing against the ET schools but the evidence spoke for itself.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It's gotten completely ridiculous at this stage - the cost, the disruption, the displacement of homeless people as a result, asking locals along the route to register themselves and imposing limits on how many houseguests they can have, and of course the media spin from RTE...

All for the visit of a guy whose organisation has caused massive suffering to generations of Irish citizens and at a time when more people than ever want nothing to do with his Church.

Yep, the Government really have the pulse of the nation on this one, but sure it'll be a good photo op for our profile/media obsessed Taoiseach and it'll help sway the "grey vote" in the next election (which is a very real objective I think), so who cares what the majority want, right?

Leo reminds me of those second generation Latino-American Trump supporters desperately trying to "fit in"

ohnonotgmail

padd b1975 wrote: »

Nope, but I've a sister who's a teacher and had two new pupils who moved into the area from somewhere served by Educate Together schools.

In over twenty years experience as a teacher she never had such poor reading and arithmetic skills at that age.

Of course the parents would hear nothing against the ET schools but the evidence spoke for itself.

An anecdote. Wow. How compelling.

lawred2

padd b1975 wrote: »

Nope, but I've a sister who's a teacher and had two new pupils who moved into the area from somewhere served by Educate Together schools.

In over twenty years experience as a teacher she never had such poor reading and arithmetic skills at that age.

Of course the parents would hear nothing against the ET schools but the evidence spoke for itself.

you're aware that that's wholly anecdotal right?

did your education inform you as to the difference between empirical evidence and anecdotal evidence?

padd b1975 wrote: »

Nope, but I've a sister who's a teacher and had two new pupils who moved into the area from somewhere served by Educate Together schools.

In over twenty years experience as a teacher she never had such poor reading and arithmetic skills at that age.

Of course the parents would hear nothing against the ET schools but the evidence spoke for itself.

Funnily enough, when considering schools for my little lad, myself and his mother were actually in favour of the ET idea and it was the first preference. I was very against the idea of wasting an inordinate amount of time on religion and preparation for communion/confirmation that should be better spent elsewhere (religion, like Irish IMO, belongs in the home - if you want your kids to know it.. teach it to them yourselves or pay tutors but don't force a class of 25+ kids - an increasing number of whom aren't catholic at all - to sit through it for your own nationalist romanticism).

But then we were advised by a teacher to think about it. The demographics of the school were such that many kids were non-native English speakers (many having little or none at all) and that this would impact on the classroom.

We genuinely hadn't even thought of that to be honest, but it's a valid point. If an already overfilled infants classroom has a teacher spending an inordinate amount of time trying to communicate with a significant portion of that class, then everyone else's education will suffer.. which may go to your point above.

Of course, it's not "PC" to say such things, but all I know is he went to a different school and is thriving.

Hannibal_Smith

padd b1975 wrote: »

Nope, but I've a sister who's a teacher and had two new pupils who moved into the area from somewhere served by Educate Together schools.

In over twenty years experience as a teacher she never had such poor reading and arithmetic skills at that age.

Of course the parents would hear nothing against the ET schools but the evidence spoke for itself.

The curriculum for educate together schools is exactly the same as every other school. They are inspected like every other school. I call BS on your sis.

In Any event why do you care? You're offering the solution that non Catholics go elsewhere and when they go elsewhere it's not good enough for you?

RasTa

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Funnily enough, when considering schools for my little lad, myself and his mother were actually in favour of the ET idea and it was the first preference. I was very against the idea of wasting an inordinate amount of time on religion and preparation for communion/confirmation that should be better spent elsewhere (religion, like Irish IMO, belongs in the home - if you want your kids to know it.. teach it to them yourselves or pay tutors but don't force a class of 25+ kids - an increasing number of whom aren't catholic at all - to sit through it for your own nationalist romanticism).

But then we were advised by a teacher to think about it. The demographics of the school were such that many kids were non-native English speakers (many having little or none at all) and that this would impact on the classroom.

We genuinely hadn't even thought of that to be honest, but it's a valid point. If an already overfilled infants classroom has a teacher spending an inordinate amount of time trying to communicate with a significant portion of that class, then everyone else's education will suffer.. which may go to your point above.

Of course, it's not "PC" to say such things, but all I know is he went to a different school and is thriving.

That's the stupidest thing I've read in awhile.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Funnily enough, when considering schools for my little lad, myself and his mother were actually in favour of the ET idea and it was the first preference. I was very against the idea of wasting an inordinate amount of time on religion and preparation for communion/confirmation that should be better spent elsewhere (religion, like Irish IMO, belongs in the home - if you want your kids to know it.. teach it to them yourselves or pay tutors but don't force a class of 25+ kids - an increasing number of whom aren't catholic at all - to sit through it for your own nationalist romanticism).

But then we were advised by a teacher to think about it. The demographics of the school were such that many kids were non-native English speakers (many having little or none at all) and that this would impact on the classroom.

We genuinely hadn't even thought of that to be honest, but it's a valid point. If an already overfilled infants classroom has a teacher spending an inordinate amount of time trying to communicate with a significant portion of that class, then everyone else's education will suffer.. which may go to your point above.

Of course, it's not "PC" to say such things, but all I know is he went to a different school and is thriving.

No its not PC unfortunately, and to be honest I don't think it's something that came up in this case, but I take your point.

It's a typical three teacher school in rural Ireland where each teacher is responsible for a number of classes simultaneously.
Finding the time to allocate to weaker students is difficult and outside help isn't always available in that part of the country.
Having to deal with parents who have their heads firmly buried in the sand makes it twice as hard.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

An anecdote. Wow. How compelling.

Thanks for taking the time to read it.

RasTa wrote: »

That's the stupidest thing I've read in awhile.

Only if you consider right-on virtue signalling to be more important than your child's education.

In my case I wanted him to go where he'd have the best chance to do well.. if the teacher was spending lots of time trying to teach other kids basic English then, given that there's only so many hours in the school day, how can others NOT suffer.

RasTa

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Only if you consider right-on virtue signalling to be more important than your child's education.

In my case I wanted him to go were he'd have the best chance to do well.. if the teacher was spending lots of time trying to teach other kids basic English then, given that there's only so many hours in the school day, how can others NOT suffer.

Ah yeah little Kaiser wouldn't be able to apply the theory of relativity and pick his CAO course in senior infants as all the dirty immigrants where holding back his English progression.

However in the real world immigrant children tend to perform better then natives in the class room.

Hannibal_Smith

padd b1975 wrote: »

No its not PC unfortunately, and to be honest I don't think it's something that came up in this case, but I take your point.

It's a typical three teacher school in rural Ireland where each teacher is responsible for a number of classes simultaneously.
Finding the time to allocate to weaker students is difficult and outside help isn't always available in that part of the country.
Having to deal with parents who have their heads firmly buried in the sand makes it twice as hard.

Scare mongering to keep peoplein Catholic schools. Excellent :pac:

Leroy42

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

In my case I wanted him to go where he'd have the best chance to do well.. if the teacher was spending lots of time trying to teach other kids basic English then, given that there's only so many hours in the school day, how can others NOT suffer.

So you agree that teachers having to spend time teaching stuff to kids that is not necessary for most of the class effects the education of the children?

That is exactly the point the others weremaking about wasting time on religion!

DChancer

padd b1975 wrote: »

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

They are...Educate Together Schools are springing up everywhere. If there's call for one and a site available in the vicinity they'll look in to setting one up.

The standard of education they provide is pretty poor compared to a Catholic school.

More inane infantile rubbish

Leroy42 wrote: »

So you agree that teachers having to spend time teaching stuff to kids that is not necessary for most of the class effects the education of the children?

That is exactly the point the others weremaking about wasting time on religion!

No argument with that.. as I posted above, religion (except maybe as a broad overview of cultures) has no place in schools in 2018 IMO. Let those who want their kids to learn, take them to Church or Sunday school (if such a thing exists here).

I'd also apply the same reasoning to Irish

My reply was a direct response to the point on ET standards from padd, and a reason from my own experience why that might be the case.

P_1

tylercheribini wrote: »

I can understand Nationwide being a week long powder puff piece for the pope as the audience age demographic would be the silver vote but the six one "news" is Goebbels territory. Hopefully McAleeses doc tonight might restore some balance.

Its gotten bloody terrifying. I thought this was 2018. Saw this on the buke face earlier and think it's a good idea to do.

https://www.facebook.com/events/250907505557524/?ti=cl

afrodub

Welcome Pope Francis , I hope you have a great visit

TG4 now, a program actually critical of Pope John Paul visit,heaven forbid!

mikeym

Looking forward to the Holy Weekend

:D:D:D

For the unitiated a fantastic documentary depicting a different Ireland, which was banned for decades due to its anti-church stance, "Tge Rocky Road To Dublin"

https://youtu.be/7kaAQHj9Efk

Irish Kings

tylercheribini wrote: »

For the unitiated a fantastic documentary depicting a different Ireland, which was banned for decades due to its anti-church stance, "Tge Rocky Road To Dublin"

https://youtu.be/7kaAQHj9Efk

Banned by who in the state exactly ?

Name some actual names and shame.