Chris_5339762 wrote: » And, in my opinion, in order of urgency 1) Midleton - Youghal (Desperately needed) 2) Dungarvan 3) Waterford - Glenmore 4) Wexford - Rosslare
Aontachtoir wrote: » I was very surprised that there was no mention of Midleton - Youghal in the NDP. But then again, I would say that upgrading the N71 out to Bandon is just as important, if not more important, and that wasn't included either.
DumbBrunette wrote: » I think there's also three schemes on the N60 between Castlebar and Claremorris totalling 9km that are quite advanced... any update on those Marno?
marno21 wrote: » July 2018 updates:N2 Slane bypass: Tender awarded for ground investigation in July. No sign of final route yet.N4 Mullingar-Longford: This has now moved to pre-appraisal stage now as per TIIN4 Carrick on Shannon-Dromod: This has now moved to pre-appraisal stage now as per TIIN5 Ballaghaderreen-Scramoge: Planned decision date of 9th July missed by An Bord Pleanala, no further update since.N6 Galway City Ring Road: Planned ABP submission date of June has been missed, no further update.N8/N25/N40 Dunkettle Interchange: Tender has been awarded to SiskN17 Tobercurry-Collooney This has moved to pre-appraisal stage now as per TIIN22 Macroom-Ballyvourney: Pre qualification stage complete and invitations to tender to be issued in coming weeksM28 Cork-Ringaskiddy: This received full approval from An Bord Pleanala in July 2018 however the local NIMBYs indicate they wish to proceed with a judicial review.N56 Dungloe-Glenties: Ground investigation tenders issued in July for 2 remaining sections (Letterilly-Kilraine & Dungloe-Cloghbolie)
Michael Nolan wrote: we have granted some small amount of funding to local authorities to do a pre-appraisal on a number of schemes this year. We are doing a fitness test on those schemes to see how they rate against the Department's strategic investment framework priorities. We ask if they complete missing links on the network, address safety-critical issues and provide access to poorly-served regions, which would be in agreement with what the Deputy is saying. We also ask if they address integration and peripherality, issues of capacity, access to large-scale employment, and improving connections to key seaports and airports
marno21 wrote: » Galway has an excessive amount of national road for no good reason. Galway has the N6, N17, N18, N63, N65, N67, N83 and N84 Cork has the N8, N20, N22, N25 and N71 (and the N27/N28 which are short stubs to access airports/seaports). Galway has 4 roads to Mayo and 2 roads to Tuam.
D Trent wrote: » Oh Jesus Christ get over it. Every opportunity you get you emphasise the fact M17/M18 is complete ahead of M20. It's done now man. In the past.
marno21 wrote: » Here if you're going to post like that at least read my posts fully. I didn't mention the M17/M18 or the M20. All I said is that Galway has too many national roads, more than it needs, and some of which are only there because they were added to the network for political reasons after the network was originally defined. The N83 from Tuam to Galway should not be a national road. It just stretches TII's underfunded budget even further to cover roads they have to maintain for no good reason.
Galway has 4 roads to Mayo and 2 roads to Tuam
marno21 wrote: » To Mayo: N17, N59, N83, N84 To Tuam: N17 & N83 I have put up another post here on the rationalisation of the national secondary network: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057885669
D Trent wrote: » ?? N17 is no longer in existence as far as Tuam- thanks to none other than M17
marno21 wrote: » Yes, it's the N83 now. The signed route to Galway is via the M17. There is also the N83 for no apparent reason.
Galway has 4 roads to Mayo and 2 roads to Tuam.
D Trent wrote: » What are the 4 roads and 2 roads respectively then !
To Mayo: N17, N59, N83, N84 ,
D Trent wrote: » And now we're going round in circles Listen i'm of the opinion the N83 should only exist between Tuam BP and Dunmore or B haunis, I'm not defending that. All I'm doing is remarking on your disdain of the M17/M18 on the forum on a fair few occasions.
tharlear wrote: » Using that logic Cork has 4 roads to Kerry, N71, N22 N20/N72 2 roads to Tipp, M8 and N73 2 to Waterford N72 and N25, and only one to Limerick N20 which should be upgraded ASAP "because it connects to Galway and then you would also then have 4 roads to Mayo". Should all Mayo traffic be routed through Clifden? If so maybe all Cork to Kerry traffic should go through Skibbereen
marno21 wrote: Can you show me some of that disdain? I really don't know where this has come from.
Kevwoody wrote: » Ah come on Marno, you have a pop at the M17/18 all the time, and the amount of spending the West and Northwest gets, it's no secret that you feel Cork should be getting the majority of the roads budget. Anyway I'm not starting an argument as you are by far the most knowledgeable poster in this forum, but come on!
marno21 wrote: » I don't feel that Cork should be getting the majority of the roads budget - it should be getting an equitable amount. This shouldn't be a Cork vs the northwest debate, there is no county in Ireland that doesn't merit investment in roads, but the investment should be entirely based on need and requirement, not on geography or region vs region nonsense. The first 5 projects out of this plan to be reactivated are the 2x N2 schemes in Monaghan, the 2x N4 schemes in Leitrim/Longford/Westmeath and the first 15km of the N17 out of Sligo. All very meritorious upgrades, but the next 5 need to provide balance.
Aontachtoir wrote: » "The next 5 [upgrades] need to provide balance". That would be the M20, M40 north ring (eastern component), M28, Dunkettle, and N22. "Balance" achieved. Now TII can continue to invest in roads connecting Donegal, Sligo, and Mayo to the rest of the country, unlike Cork which already sits at the centre of a well-developed regional transport system.
hans aus dtschl wrote: » Allow me to be glib for a minute... When they finished the M20 in 2013 it was great. I love the M40 north ring chosen route. If only somebody mentioned during the original Dunkettle interchange that the design was substandard, the money would have been made available. Cork's new event centre is looking fab at the moment too. I'd say people in Cork would welcome any infrastructure if it happened, rather than announcements, sod turnings and zero delivery.
Aontachtoir wrote: » So would the people of Donegal, Sligo, Leitrim, Mayo, Monaghan, Cavan, and, just about every one of the 19 remaining counties. Glibness aside, I don't really see your point. Is it that the interval between projects being announced and projects being fully delivered is too long? If so, I fully agree with you. I don't really see what the Events Centre has to do with this. It's sitting and waiting for planning permission for the revised design.
hans aus dtschl wrote: » Aontachtoir wrote: » Sorry I could have been much clearer:some of those infrastructure projects which were announced with great PR and fanfare, by successive governments. The political capital to be gleaned is somewhat diminished when they're announced the second or third time. You're talking about them as a "balance" to the expenditure going to the North / Northwest, but as far as I remember infrastructural expenditure in the North / Northwest doesn't yield great ROI. It certainly wasn't a key aspect of the National Spatial Strategy. Yields great votes, though, in fairness. Maybe we're both misunderstanding each other. My comments about "balance" were in response to another poster, who believes that Cork has been uniquely hard done by out of all of Ireland, and seems to say that roads investment outside of Cork should be matched euro for euro with investment inside Cork, for reasons of "balance". I disagree with this poster. My post above on "balance" was a rather glib response to what I viewed as his line of argument. Regarding your objections about ROI on roads in Donegal, I don't have the figures in front of me. I would argue that even if roads in this region had a lower ROI than roads in, say, Kildare, it is in the interests of Ireland to enhance connectivity in that region. The northwest is almost cut off from the capital, the engine of our economy, and very legitimately complain that they are the only part of the country that has no high-quality road most of the way to Dublin. As for your point about some road projects which were promised and then cancelled when the economy suddenly and unexpectedly collapsed and we plunged into one of the worst financial crises in the history of our nation, I have to say that I really find it hard to view that as some sort of political stunt. Especially after the incredible delivery of roads across the nation throughout the 2000s.
Aontachtoir wrote: » Sorry I could have been much clearer:some of those infrastructure projects which were announced with great PR and fanfare, by successive governments. The political capital to be gleaned is somewhat diminished when they're announced the second or third time. You're talking about them as a "balance" to the expenditure going to the North / Northwest, but as far as I remember infrastructural expenditure in the North / Northwest doesn't yield great ROI. It certainly wasn't a key aspect of the National Spatial Strategy. Yields great votes, though, in fairness.
