TheIrishGrover wrote: » I don't know. Do YOU? Are there more there that haven't been identified yet? What about manufacturers?
AudreyHepburn wrote: » Thanks for that and I’m a she just so you know ☺️ To be fair I think many of the posters here are those who were hurt by the church or are close to those who were so I do understand their position.But I don’t understand why saying I believe in God or I support the good people and good works of the church means I think child abuse is ok. As I keep saying crimes against children sicken me.
eviltwin wrote: » Ate the BBC still actively hiding child abusers? Have they moved them to other channels in developing countries?
TheIrishGrover wrote: » C'mon folks. BBC. You watch it? Programs made by it? Not even Match of The Day? Oh I love me some Match of The Day. I must be a supporter of Jimmy Savile etc. I do also love my clothes. I gotta say, the less Children are paid the better I feel........ C'mon.... JUSTIFY TO ME!!!!!!!! why you still watch it. It's YOUR DUTY to justify to ME!!! why you support these organizations. And if you do not/cannot then you are just as bad as them.
vicwatson wrote: » STILL here :eek:
TheIrishGrover wrote: » Why should he care what people think? He has explained here why he is going there. Why is is anyone else's business why he's there? His - anyone's right to support what he believes in is EXACTLY THE SAME as other's right to disagree. A person's right to protest is NOT superior to another person't right to support. He does NOT have to justify his beliefs/support. And a protester does NOT have the right to make him justify. I was raised Catholic but have considered myself atheist for 30 years. I support the Pope visiting. I support people's right to believe. I believe there are good people in the Catholic church as well as evil. Like any organization. I do not believe that ANY people going to see the Pope condone their actions against children in any way. Tell me. Have you stopped watching BBC? or BBC-produced shows? I presume you have given their support of abusers. How about Apple or Nike or, basically ANY clothing manufacturer given their long history of child abuse/working conditions. Who made that high-horse you sit on?
AudreyHepburn wrote: » Folks I don’t know how much more I can say here - I’ve tried my best to explain my position and I understand that there are those who will never see me as anything other than a child abuse enabler because of my faith. All I can I say I am not, never have been and never will be. I cannot, as I said already, change my beliefs. I tried and it didn’t sit right with me at all. It’s not something you can just turn off but I’m sorry if it has caused anyone here upset or anger. That’s not intent at all. Simply put I hate what the church as an organization has become and what it has done to this country. But I also know that not every single solitary member is evil personified and it is them I would support. I think I’ll start referring to myself as Christian from now on though - it seems much easier.
AudreyHepburn wrote: » But I don’t at all and I don’t know how many different ways I can say it.I think child abuse is the worst and most heinous crime you can commit and the ones who do deserve an protracted and painful death. I’m going to the mass simply to support the good people in the church, nothing more nothing less.
Seth Brundle wrote: » How will people know that you're there to support the good people and not those such as Cardinal Wuerl's replacement who may have done acts just as heinous? Are you bringing a big sign saying "I don't support the evil people in the church"? Will you clap when Frank takes the stage? Will you pray along with him?
AudreyHepburn wrote: » Not that post but the general feeling from this thread that if you have faith it gives people carte Blanche to assume you support and are ok with the terrible things the church did.
AudreyHepburn wrote: » But I don’t at all and I don’t know how many different ways I can say it. I think child abuse is the worst and most heinous crime you can commit and the ones who do deserve an protracted and painful death. I’m going to the mass simply to support the good people in the church, nothing more nothing less.
AudreyHepburn wrote: » Of course they are. But not everyone knew and that needs to be acknowledged.
AudreyHepburn wrote: » I’m going to the mass simply to support the good people in the church, nothing more nothing less.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » what part of that post was unfair and untrue?
Discodog wrote: » But how good is someone if they know of abuse & do nothing to protect children ? The church is guilty but so are the State & the majority of it's people who did nothing to stop it.
AudreyHepburn wrote: » Everyone on this thread seems to think that and I understand why but it’s unfair and untrue.
murpho999 wrote: » I don't think anybody thinks you are ok with that at all but you are going to an event organised by a church that has attempted to cover up these crimes, protect the criminals and still will not meet the victims. So why would anybody want to be involved in anyway with an organisation like that?
Cabaal wrote: » You say darker teachings but the catholic church doesn't see these as dark or anything wrong with them at all. They are just part of what you should believe in and follow if you are a catholic. Why not just say you are a christian? You can still believe in god, Jesus etc but it means you don't need to subscribe to the catholic church and its policy's, views and core beliefs and most importantly it shows you don't support them anymore,. I'm being serious, don't just call yourself a catholic because thats what you were baptised into. You can change!. I know plenty of people that were baptised, did communion, married in catholic church. But now they do believe in a god, don't go to mass but they will often say little prayers to themselves. They see themselves as christian or just spiritual....they want nothing to do with the catholic church because of the way the church on all levels has failed in such criminal ways.
murpho999 wrote: » But by going to their event on Saturday and seeing their leader is supporting them. How can you not see that?
AudreyHepburn wrote: » It feels like it is though and I can tell that you others on this thread think that way even if you don’t admit it. Some of you even assume I am ok with child abuse and all the other crimes committed by the church which is hurtful and unfair. To be fair I’m more a lapsed Catholic- I don’t go to church and just say my own prayers privately when I feel the need. I don’t subscribe to the church’s darker teachings at all. I suppose I say I’m Catholic because how else can I describe myself - I’m Not Muslim or Jewish or Buddhist.
Cabaal wrote: » Its not a crime to believe in god and nobody thinks that. But if you believe in god then fine be a christian, What exactly makes you want to be a catholic? Is it their core beliefs such as transubstantiation? Their views against women priests? The fact they want to believe Mary was a Virgin? What makes you choose the catholic church over all the others? This is a serious question for you. Going to mass, giving money to the catholic church etc, means like it or not that you support the catholic church. You support its beliefs and views including their dim view on women and how they view gay people. You can say you don't but as long as you continue to go to mass and blindly and sit and say nothing you only give a free card to the church. if you don't like these things then be the change in the church, speak out. i honestly think more people need to call out priests when they spout such hate during mass.
AudreyHepburn wrote: » I have not and will not ever justify any injury done to a child be it physical, emotional or sexual. I’m ignoring nothing. I have said several times I despise what the church has become and how it has made a near crime to say you believe in God. I cannot change what I believe but I do not in any way shape or form support abusers or think it’s ok.
AudreyHepburn wrote: » I have not and will not ever justify any injury done to a child be it physical, emotional or sexual. I’m ignoring nothing. I have said several times I despise what the church has become and how it has made a near crime to say you believe in God.I cannot change what I believe but I do not in any way shape or form support abusers or think it’s ok.
ELM327 wrote: » I agree, As a politically right wing but socially liberal person I find her comments abhorrent to right wing voters.
