topper75 wrote: » Well - then this raises that big question: not what they like, but what you like? what who likes? Who sets this bar? I don't think Alex Jones or his views need discussion in this thread. The banning of them - now that is 'interesting'. If you think Trump isn't winning 2020 - here's an old Democrat gem for you "It's the economy stupid". People vote with their pocket, not on isms.
“There can simply be no statement of fact when Mr. Jones views a video of Anderson Cooper and provides his commentary and opinion with regard to possibilities as to why Mr. Cooper’s nose disappeared on the video, all the while directing the viewers’ attention to the very video about which he opined,” a motion to dismiss the suit filed by Jones’s attorney argues. “No reasonable reader or listener would interpret Mr. Jones’ statements regarding the possibility of a ‘blue-screen’ being used as a verifiably false statement of fact, and even if it is verifiable as false, the entire context in which it was made discloses that the statements are mere opinions ‘masquerading as a fact.”
Bob24 wrote: » This. Anyone who genuinely thinks he has no chance of reelection is still living in the same social/media bubble they were living in 2 years ago and needs more exposure to the outside world.
Billy86 wrote: » Looks like his defense of "I'm a fraud and all my followers are unreasonable idiots" (and not for the first time) didn't spare him here. That literally has been his defense: He knows he's a fraud and that he's making all of this sh** up for clickbait, and he knows it is radicalising people into acts of terrorism but yet he continues to peddle those stories about child sex dungeons in pizza shops, school shootings that left toddlers dead being a 'false flag' (parents whose kids were killed continue to get death threats from Jones' followers, the government is controlling the weather, child slave colonies on Mars (no no, really), and on and on it goes. And the gullible idiots lap it right up in a cult like Jonestown fashion, where the truth is simply what Alex Jones tells them. Good f***ing riddance, from these platforms at least.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » Remember that he may lose the midterms and win. Clinton did.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » The lunatic has been removed from the asylum.
Bob24 wrote: » FunLover18 wrote: » Freedom of speech ≠ the right to a platform True ... the problem however is that we are not talking about *a* platform being removed here. We are talking about most major online platforms being removed. The problem is not a company individual decision, but their collective massive influence and the fact that they make identical decisions. That concentration of power and similar thinking is a genuine threat to free speach and democracy IMO.
FunLover18 wrote: » Freedom of speech ≠ the right to a platform
suicide_circus wrote: » I'm pretty sure the shooter made their lives a misery. in any case I don't consume Alex Jones' content and I also don't believe for one second that YouTube give two fcuks about the parents of Sandy Hook victims.
FunLover18 wrote: » You either allow these companies to control their content or you say they have to put up everything that comes their way. There's no middle ground where you say certain companies can control content or only a certain amount can ban the same content.
Bob24 wrote: » Ageee and I think as a society we should think about this. When a handful of companies control most self-published online content distribution, have a final say of what gets in or not, and tend to all make the same decisions, in my view there is a democratic issue. I don’t blame companies individually but that is a systemic failure which I think needs to be addressed. Either we force all of them to accept any content which is not illegal, or we break their oligopoly and force the introduction of other large scale distributors can host legal content which is currently refused by all current major players. Having the standards of what is acceptable on large scale online platforms globally defined by a few company execs in California who prettt much all have the same ideological views is a serious issue IMO. And not just on this case, if you simply want to publish an illustrated art critique of a classical painting which shows certain body parts you will likely get shot down by most of them. Or of you try to express certain ideas they done like and become to popular. The collective power they have is huge and people would be wrong to assume they are safe and it only applies to others.
Mutant z wrote: » This is just the start freedom of speech is being attacked worldwide for those who don't have leftist views, Antifa can be just as violent as they want and nothing is done to them but someone says something you don't like suddenly they get banned from the airwaves its not good for freedom of speech and democracy.
fleet_admiral wrote: » Strange when feminists say 'kill all men' is not considered hate speech
Billy86 wrote: » Here's Youtube banning a feminist video for the use of the 'f' word - https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/youtube-bans-vile-exploitative-f-bomb-feminism-advert-1471386 Youtube deletes tonnes of videos and bans tonnes of content, and has done for a last time. It banned/deleted 8.3mn videos in the last three months of 2017 alone... that's more than one video per second being deleted. In the time I have taken to type this, they will have deleted over 100 videos. Today is just a day like every other day, the only difference is the person getting their stuff deleted happens to have a bigger following than usual (which is the reason he wasn't deleted/banned earlier).
ohnonotgmail wrote: » Mutant z wrote: » This is just the start freedom of speech is being attacked worldwide for those who don't have leftist views, Antifa can be just as violent as they want and nothing is done to them but someone says something you don't like suddenly they get banned from the airwaves its not good for freedom of speech and democracy. Alex jones has gone slightly beyond "saying something people dont like". would you be happy for an extremist muslim to be given a platform?
Grayson wrote: » Mutant z wrote: » This is just the start freedom of speech is being attacked worldwide for those who don't have leftist views, Antifa can be just as violent as they want and nothing is done to them but someone says something you don't like suddenly they get banned from the airwaves its not good for freedom of speech and democracy. get over it. Freedom of speech is the cause dujour of the right at the moment. Someone spills out hate filled bile like alex jones and when someone else doesn't want to carry that material they're suddenly against freedom of speech. By all means political views should be free to be discussed but the outright lies that he vomits over the airwaves shouldn't be tolerated.
Mutant z wrote: » Speech is speech if you arnt happy with what someone says challenge them and muslim extremists call for sharia law on a regular basis but the left don't seem to be up in arms about that just about those who speak up against it.
Billy86 wrote: » If a poster on boards.ie continuously breaks the forum charter, they tend to get banned. That is what has happened here, only to further the analogy, Jones was allowed break the rules for a lot longer because of the number of 'thanks' (e.g. views... e.g. $$$) his videos generated. Basically, the biggest error was not kicking him off as soon as he hit the threshold for a ban, as would typically be the course of action when people with less followers do the same.
Mutant z wrote: » Who are you to decide what is acceptable or not the thought police are well out in force it seems.
Mutant z wrote: » You ban him then you start to ban everyone else who's opinion you don't like where does it all end.
