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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

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StringerBell

Wouldn't touch dembele, doubt Jose would either.

Oh and to pacify the one who said Jose would be found out (yes he has in fact been fooling everyone all these years)

Dembele would not be a player I'd want at united regardless of who was manager.

bassy

The way it stands now city will win the league again,why cause there still miles ahead of utd Chelsea spurs le arse and pool

The transfer window so far or lack of it tells you that.

Giggsy11

Like few have already said, hopefully we are not in for Maguire. He is good enough dribbler and decent passing but his defending is very average and always ends up no man land.

Trigger

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Like few have already said, hopefully we are not in for Maguire. He is good enough dribbler and decent passing but his defending is very average and always ends up no man land.

He definitely not quick enough on the turn to play in a team that will have the majority of possession in most games, in 60/70% of the matches we play we will be playing against packed defences and teams that will try to catch us on the break, he is not good enough.

Giggsy11

astradave wrote: »

He definitely not quick enough on the turn to play in a team that will have the majority of possession in most games, in 60/70% of the matches we play we will be playing against packed defences and teams that will try to catch us on the break, he is not good enough.

Yeah, also his lack of awareness is so obvious. I mean players just goes behind him without any challenge, he doesn't even check what's going on next to him.

If we sign him, it will be well and good to have player who can bring the ball but can see us leaking so many goals.

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Rayne Wooney wrote: »

We had the 2nd best defence in the league last season but the 4th place attack. We were let down by the players who filled the positions behind Lukaku not the full backs imo. We need a new left back of course but it’s not going to improve the attack significantly, what we need is a player who will nail down a position in attack and score some bloody goals.

It would make no odds pulling names from a hat for a starting position between Pogba, Martial, Sanchez, Mata, Lingard because they all lack consistency and I forsee Mourinho being forced to chop and change early on as he did most of last season, which will lead to the “does Mourinho not know his best team?” remarks . Honestly which one of those players will score 15+ goals in the league next season? None is my prediction.

It's not that simple. Look at the amount of times Walker provided an out ball for City last season, Delph and Zinchenko also did it on the other side but now Mendy is fit again so they'll be even better at that position. This took defenders away from the attackers and allowed them into dangerous positions.

The full backs were making the right decisions and not lumping balls into the box. As much as people want Lukaku to be the aerial threat and as much as he looks like it, he's no Drogba/Manzukic and would be better getting shots with his feet than head. It doesn't help that he's generally the only one in the box because Young and Valencia have no composure and lump it in when under pressure. If they tried to work their way to the byline and put a few higher percentage balls with their heads up or passed inside and spread the play for a return ball it would create more space for these attacking players nad they could thrive.

Like it or not with Matic playing so defensive they are supposed to be wing backs and provide all of the width in attack and it's mostly wasted with them there. Young is a decent crosser but because every cross from him has to be perfect it's never going to work. Neither of them really get their head up when deciding where to put it too which is criminal.

Mars Bar

I'd be so annoyed if we bought rebic. I really felt he was Croatia's weak link in attack. He's also brain dead when things aren't going in his favour and picks up needless yellow cards.

Mitch Connor

Duncan Castles (press mouth of Mendes/Mourinho, imo) on his podcast:

Mourinho wanted five signings, two full backs, a centre back, a CM and a right winger.

Doesn't want Shaw and Young as left backs but has given up on that.

No Willian or Perisic because of their age.

Feels the board doesn't care about winning the title and happy with a top 4 finish.

Would go along with exactly what I was reading to be the goals for the summer, towards the end of last season. And would go along exactly with how things are looking now.

Necro

Sorry if I'm missing something amid all the Rebic (ugh) discussion - didn't Eintracht Frankfurt LITERALLY just sign him at the end of the season for circa 2 mill?

Colour me confused.

Lord TSC

If true, then I don't blame Jose for "whinging". I look forward to people peddling the "third season meltdown" narrative when he's had his legs hacked out under him. At least Chelsea won the title before they started this ****.....

Necrominus wrote: »

Sorry if I'm missing something amid all the Rebic (ugh) discussion - didn't Eintracht Frankfurt LITERALLY just sign him at the end of the season for circa 2 mill?

Colour me confused.

Had a good World Cup, loads of time left in his contract, and us and Bayern both sniffing round him, so price goes up.

Trigger

Necrominus wrote: »

Sorry if I'm missing something amid all the Rebic (ugh) discussion - didn't Eintracht Frankfurt LITERALLY just sign him at the end of the season for circa 2 mill?

Colour me confused.

Yeah he was on loan for 2 year there and think they had an option at the end of the most recent one so they took it up

Sebastian Dangerfield

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Duncan Castles (press mouth of Mendes/Mourinho, imo) on his podcast:

Would go along with exactly what I was reading to be the goals for the summer, towards the end of last season. And would go along exactly with how things are looking now.

I saw something similar in an Andy Mitten article yesterday. Something along the lines of "United - the club rather than the manager - won't sanction the signing of a left back". Maybe they're insisting that a young talent like Shaw be fully utilised rather than discarded, but it will probably result in Jose using Young at every opportunity.

DM_7

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

I saw something similar in an Andy Mitten article yesterday. Something along the lines of "United - the club rather than the manager - won't sanction the signing of a left back". Maybe they're insisting that a young talent like Shaw be fully utilised rather than discarded, but it will probably result in Jose using Young at every opportunity.

Which is bizarre when they dont have any obvious football structure or football people to make such decisions outside Jose.

If United want a coach ro oversee players bought by others faiir enough, put that structure in place first though.

adox

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Duncan Castles (press mouth of Mendes/Mourinho, imo) on his podcast:

Would go along with exactly what I was reading to be the goals for the summer, towards the end of last season. And would go along exactly with how things are looking now.

Jaysus if thats true then the club are in a lot more trouble than we thought. It would be so much simpler if it was Jose not making the signings and/or getting the best out of what hes got. Just change the manager and back a new one.

Of course Jose has to take his share of the blame with how things have gone but that passage from Castles(again if true) is utterly depressing as a Utd fan and is basically the club giving up and settling for mediocrity.

IF true, I cant see Jose lasting the season. I think he may walk.

Cantona's Collars

Can't really argue with what's said in this piece.

https://www.football365.com/news/who-can-make-sense-of-mourinho-man-utds-transfer-muddle

bangkok

Lord TSC wrote: »

If true, then I don't blame Jose for "whinging". I look forward to people peddling the "third season meltdown" narrative when he's had his legs hacked out under him. At least Chelsea won the title before they started this ****.....

Had a good World Cup, loads of time left in his contract, and us and Bayern both sniffing round him, so price goes up.

But he shouldnt be whinging already. He has got 2 signings in the door already, sanchez with a full pre season behind him already. Luke shaw with a full pre season behind him. A couple more signings on the way. He should be positive for the new season

yourdeadwright

bangkok wrote: »

Lord TSC wrote: »

If true, then I don't blame Jose for "whinging". I look forward to people peddling the "third season meltdown" narrative when he's had his legs hacked out under him. At least Chelsea won the title before they started this ****.....

Had a good World Cup, loads of time left in his contract, and us and Bayern both sniffing round him, so price goes up.

But he shouldnt be whinging already. He has got 2 signings in the door already, sanchez with a full pre season behind him already. Luke shaw with a full pre season behind him. A couple more signings on the way. He should be positive for the new season

I'm not a huge Jose fan but he knows what it takes to win the Prem and other top leagues and if he is not happy with the players he has do it you'd have to take his opinion strongly ,
It's not like he just wants players for the sake of it,

fatherted1969

Going to a long season from Mourinho if the pre season is anything to go by.

bangkok

Im all for selling martial and throwing 180m at mbappe. Imagine!!

DM_7

fatherted1969 wrote: »

Going to a long season from Mourinho if the pre season is anything to go by.

Think yoy mean short!

Mitch Connor

adox wrote: »

Jaysus if thats true then the club are in a lot more trouble than we thought. It would be so much simpler if it was Jose not making the signings and/or getting the best out of what hes got. Just change the manager and back a new one.

Of course Jose has to take his share of the blame with how things have gone but that passage from Castles(again if true) is utterly depressing as a Utd fan and is basically the club giving up and settling for mediocrity.

IF true, I cant see Jose lasting the season. I think he may walk.

woah woah woah - whats this we talk!? This is the scenario I've been whinging about all summer!

There is no way Jose is happy with having to rely on Luke Shaw, in any capacity.

paulbok

bangkok wrote: »

Im all for selling martial and throwing 180m at mbappe. Imagine!!

Martial would be excellent bait for PSG to deal.
As much as I'd love to see him at United, I can't see it happening.
Although my inner transfer muppett won't quit saying the club aren't making all those 5 signings Jose wants cos they are going to blow the rest of the transfer budget on a player like Mbappe. :rolleyes:

Lord TSC

bangkok wrote: »

But he shouldnt be whinging already. He has got 2 signings in the door already, sanchez with a full pre season behind him already. Luke shaw with a full pre season behind him. A couple more signings on the way. He should be positive for the new season

"2 signings"? While I think Dalot should be decent long term, he is not going to help close the gap on City at all.

So we've made one signing. A good one, that should boost Pogba too.

But if you think we're closing a 19 point gap by buying Fred.....

I've said I'll judge the window when it closes, but the vibes seem to be we're going to our third or forth choices now, and part of it isn't due to being turned down, it's due to Woody basically not backing the manager.

TheMilkyPirate

What sort of game time do we think Rashford will see this year?

Drumpot

bangkok wrote: »

But he shouldnt be whinging already. He has got 2 signings in the door already, sanchez with a full pre season behind him already. Luke shaw with a full pre season behind him. A couple more signings on the way. He should be positive for the new season

This “Jose should stop whinging” begs the question what exactly is Jose saying. Shows how fickle things are still getting that people will use whatever crap they can to air their negative bias against a manager if they think the main point is that Jose is just whinging to absolve himself of blame if the team fails.

If he said he is delighted with the squad and doesn’t mind if the club gets more players some fans would complain he’s not addressing deficiencies or he doesn’t care.

I think he’s just being honest and it shines a not so positive light on the club. We have a manager with targets on the pitch (league or champions league success) and owners who have their own agenda that isn’t clear. Other then making massive profits I couldn’t say for certain how committed the owners are to overtaking city or other major euro clubs.

I think a lot of fans have deluded themselves that United’s owners actually give a fk about success. There comes a point when it’s not financially viable to target higher. 1st-4th in league equates to same money. Knockouts if champions league is more then enough cause it’s only potentially an extra 25mil or so if you actually win the trophy. With a turnover of over 700mil that’s pennies.

So then you have “well fans expect success”! Do they? United’s worst period in 3 decades still sees the club as the most valuable in the world. The owners put f**k all into the club and prob made a couple of billion in the process, they literally can’t lose at this stage. They don’t care about success , they just care about doing enough to keep united in the hunt and not lose massive profits from Sponcorship clauses and loss of profits from not being in champions league.

This is why people shouldn’t turn on Jose and defend Woodward. What we know without doubt is that Jose wants to win trophies. He is publically telling the fans of the the owners/Woodward haven’t provided him with the resources to meet his standards.

I also think some fans are easily riled up by rival fans and bollox talk on radio. You do know off the ball and other pundits are effectively barstool fans on radio? So when they say that Jose is a moaner or give any sort of hyperbolic commentary on the club it’s literally no different to the stuff we chat about here?

Take a deep breath and step back. It’s clear Jose wants to succeed at united , even those who don’t like him have to admit that. It’s not clear exactly what limitations or resources the owners are putting towards this success.

deaddonkey15

Lord TSC wrote: »

"2 signings"? While I think Dalot should be decent long term, he is not going to help close the gap on City at all.

So we've made one signing. A good one, that should boost Pogba too.

But if you think we're closing a 19 point gap by buying Fred.....

I've said I'll judge the window when it closes, but the vibes seem to be we're going to our third or forth choices now, and part of it isn't due to being turned down, it's due to Woody basically not backing the manager.

We've signed Sanchez also. The excuse from many here for his poor performances so far was that the first few months were just a bedding in period and that next season we should see the best from him after a pull pre-season and 8 or so months of getting to know his new teammates and manager.

Adamocovic

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Duncan Castles (press mouth of Mendes/Mourinho, imo) on his podcast:

Would go along with exactly what I was reading to be the goals for the summer, towards the end of last season. And would go along exactly with how things are looking now.

Duncan Castles seems to get a lot of mentions not only from here but around other fan groups.

On the above it's hard for me to judge. Castles bias towards Mourinho is well-known. I find it odd that Mourinho would tell Castles information such as that and be willing to let him quote him on it. Such as not wanting Shaw or Young, and feeling the board don't care about winning the title. So I'm torn on the legitimacy of all that is being said, whether the words of Mourinho or just those of Castles.

There are only two reasons in my mind why a manager would allow comments like that to occur, they eyeing up the door and building foundations for the reasons behind it winning the support of the fans, or are using a freelance journalist as a mouthpiece to get their way, something Castles has before discussed. I can't see the above comments working in his advantage however if true.

brinty

right folks, I'm not buying any of this tbh. Woodward has never interfered on the football side of things at all. He knows his place is business and lets the manager do his job. I'll judge things in two weeks when the season has started and the transfer window is closed.

City have bought Mahrez and that's it. Doesn't particularly strengthen or weaken them. They wanted Fred and we got him. They also wanted Alexis and we got him. Liverpool have improved but spent almost 300m on 5/6 in 8 months doing so. Jose has spent 360 in two years signings at least 12 players!! That team will take time to gel together no matter what Klopp does. They had very poor depth but lost some players out too and these signings are replacing Coutinho and Can in Klopp's first choice 11. Arsenal needed a massive overhaul as it is and haven't massively closed the gap on spurs never mind the rest. Chelsea have stagnated by managerial indecision and only got their one signing done based on player following manager. They're still looking at losing multiple top talents in Willian, Hazard and Courtouis and no big name replacements coming in.

Its going to be a busy 16 days for all teams in Europe and England. It only takes a couple of dominoes to fall and it will all kick off. Real will be the big players in everything so until something happens there we all need to relax a little.

Cookiemunster

brinty wrote: »

Its going to be a busy 16 days for all teams in Europe and England. It only takes a couple of dominoes to fall and it will all kick off. Real will be the big players in everything so until something happens there we all need to relax a little.

The teams in Europe have until August 31st. They're in no rush. Expect to see the most frantic English deadline day in years with English clubs paying European clubs way over the odds thanks to the PLs stupid decision to close their window early.

Adamocovic

Lord TSC wrote: »

"2 signings"? While I think Dalot should be decent long term, he is not going to help close the gap on City at all.

So we've made one signing. A good one, that should boost Pogba too.

But if you think we're closing a 19 point gap by buying Fred.....

I've said I'll judge the window when it closes, but the vibes seem to be we're going to our third or forth choices now, and part of it isn't due to being turned down, it's due to Woody basically not backing the manager.

Firstly on the signings. Can hardly say we've made just made one signing because you feel Dalot won't be used too often this season. The original post was correct about two signings, we even spent over €20m on Dalot.

On the entire window you don't seem to be on your own regarding the stance you're taking with how it has gone. Personally I wouldn't be able to give the reasons why we haven't signed more, or point the blame at anyone. Don't really know what exactly is going on behind the scenes.

As for quotes from José, I've always maintained that I have to be careful how I judge what he says. Great manager but has a history of talking ****e, or rather mind games, don't think I ever really trust what he says!