Drumpot wrote: » You will have to excuse my inability to multiquote bits of the same post. Somebody showed me before but I forgot! United finished level with a city team that goto the champions league semi finals. I would argue that their prioritising the champions league and progression was what gave united any chance of finishing near them. The quality of squads were quite different, according to transfer market website linked below the 2015/16 united squad players who were , at the time, valued over £25 mil were Rooney, Mata and Schweinstiener. City had 8 players - Aguero, Silva, De Bruyne, Kompany, Mangala, Sterling, Toure and Fernandihno.https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/manchester-city/kader/verein/281/plus/0/galerie/0?saison_id=2015 You can argue about the valuations but its a decent benchmark to work off. Unless you think just feeling like the teams were equal is a fairer way ?
Drumpot wrote: » And then lets look at money spent since Jose inherited a poorer squad: 2016 City £192 mil United £166mil 2017 city £285 mil United £147mil 2018 city £63.27 mil United £74 mil Total: City £540 United £387 = 29% difference between transfer kittys available to each manager. Pep has had £167 million more, that's nearly 2 extra Pogbas. Why do you feel United should be level with City when they are spending nearly 30% more on a squad that had 5 more players more valuable then the squad Jose inherited ?
Mitch Connor wrote: » i'd have question marks over Jose trying to sell Martial, or Pogba, or if it were Lukaku, Matic, Blind or Lindelof. But he is trying to replace Young, Darmian and according to some reports Smalling (to replace with an experienced CB). If Jose was to resign in the morning, I would still want those players (and Valencia) replaced in the starting line up. By the way.... WHAT THE FOOK is that fella we brought in from Juve last summer doing? (Very little from what I have heard). What a waste of time and wages.
deaddonkey15 wrote: » That transfermarkt stuff is such a load of nonsense. The 30% stuff is also such a load of nonsense. I cant believe you're still going on about it.
Drumpot wrote: » Facts are nonsense ? What a club invests in its first team over a prolonged period of time is irrelevant to having an objective expectation on that team/manager? I cant argue with that sort of thinking to be fair . .
pjohnson wrote: » This would be good if Woodward wasn't pricing surplus defenders (Darmian) out of moves away from the club.
brinty wrote: » Can I impose a ban on myself???? Christ this thread can go nuts at times... Think its safe to say we're in that period of the summer where everyone is p155ed off at the transfer market and taking aim at anything that moves.. do people seem to forget it's the same market for all clubs. That Spurs, City and Chelsea have gotten similar or less business done than us. Only Liverpool have improved and they've spunked a fortune in 6-8 months close to £300m. Most clubs also have to trim the fat from their squads and we'll see a whole lot of trading/ activity in the next few weeks..
Mitch Connor wrote: » "So offload Blind, Darmian, Smalling and Shaw like I told you to".
TitianGerm wrote: » How does United's spending compare to the other Top 4 competitors? There were plenty of lads saying that Klopp/Poch etc haven't won anything and both were performing poorly. However your saying that United spend 30% less than City so expectations are less. Does that mean the same is true for the other clubs? Say Spurs spent 30% less than United. Should they expecting to finish above United? Also take into account lots of people would have said that Jose would have had a higher quality squad starting out than Poch had at Spurs. So Jose had a better starting squad, has spent more but seems to get less out of his players. Why is that?
jayo26 wrote: » But jose has won things mate, not saying he is doing well or anything but he came in and won two trophies in his first season and last season was a major step back but he did win things in his first and finished second last year. If United don't win a cup and proper challenge for a league title this season Jose will be under pressure and right fully so but the same won't be said for klopp or poch, poch will still be regarded as a top up and coming coach even tho he has constantly failed and if klopp does not win anything this year and gets in top four again he will be still building a side at pool in most fans opinions. Not trying to have a go at you or anything but majority of united fans are judging jose right he is largely supported going into his third season and rightfully so because he won trophies to earn some time but 3 season's is enough for anyone to build a team and achieve something big.
Giggsy11 wrote: » It's just laughable that people just believe Jose so blindly. This is the guy who couldn't wait to take cheap shots at Van Gaal as soon as he took over, saying he wouldn't have sold players like Di Maria, Welbeck, Hernandez and IIRC Nani also. Di Maria can be signed from PSG, Hernandez moved from Leverkusen to West Ham with ManUtd making 0 efforts to sign him, Welbeck's future at Arsenal is done and can be signed. Will Jose do it? No, it's just a cheap shot at Van Gaal for no reason.
TheDoc wrote: » Works for him aswell. Like I said, another week or two, nothing happening, we get nervous, manager going mad, Ed feeling the pressure, and we spunk for Alderwerald. Paying an extra 10-15£ than we should
TheDoc wrote: » And for me, the below are players who should be gone ahead of the new season Fellaini Blind Darmian Young Valencia Mata Smalling Jones Rojo So yeah, it's not feasible for the club to action all those exits, and then replacements. Thats asking a lot in a normal window, let alone a cutdown world cup one. But my point is that some of these should have been gone when he walked in the door, let alone three summers later.
discobeaker wrote: » Howdy all, long time lurker. Last week some of you fine posters we're talking about IPTV, if anyone has any suggestions or can offer any help then please send me a PM
Mitch Connor wrote: » Are you a cop? You have to tell us of you're a cop. Naaaaaarrrrrcccc
discobeaker wrote: » Thankfully I'm not a cop, I'm just a cheap Monaghan man who doesn't want to give sky anymore money to watch United matches. Is our match against Milan on Tuesday or Wednesday does anyone know off hand
Drumpot wrote: » This is how I pictured your long term lurker post
discobeaker wrote: » Balls... My cover has been rumbled... emmmm... So fellow kids, how's about them fidget spinners eh?
TitianGerm wrote: » I'm not saying he hasn't won anything. I'm saying people put Klopp and Poch down because they haven't won anything yet then say that United's expectations should be less than Cities because they spend less. The same should be true then for Spurs/Liverpool seeing as they spend less than United. As a Liverpool fan I've been very happy with the last few seasons, three cup finals and back to back CL qualifications after missing out for years. Now after this summer I really want to see us get over the line and actually win something.
astradave wrote: » Didn’t know they had the speeds for iptv over there still on dial up no?
Drumpot wrote: » Ah but Liverpool fans can and will fall back in style of football and spend if he does t win anything. Jose is between a rock and a hard place. If he doesn’t finish higher then city, with a vastly inferior budget, it will be considered a failure. To try and compensate for a lower budget it makes sense that his defensive tactics (that have been successful at every club he’s managed) will be employed. I would question the nature of the United boards support at getting Jose’s targets but some fans seem happy to trust the owners/Woodward for no obvious reason other then they do. Effectively city have bought Pep the equivalent of Jose having Varane and Bale in the existing team. I would expect more from that team but the bottom line is that we expect success at a yellow pack price in comparison to city. United fans wouldn’t be content with Kevin Keegan football if the team was in the top 4 pack and relying on a handyish draw to the CL final. City were caught on the hop by pool in a tie that could easily of gone either way, especially if some decisions went differently so let’s not pretend that Liverpool are odds on to get past Barca, Madrid , PSG, City or Juventus this year!!! There is different expectations on managers. Klopp would have to do a lot wrong to get sacked , jose finished 2nd getting united it’s best league result since SAF retired and some fans still want him sacked. He can’t win with some.
Lord TSC wrote: » Linked with Boateng of Bayern now. Word is they want 40-50m for him
