Mitch Connor wrote: » Totally disagree. United continuing with players not at the level needed is why were are where we are, not lack of continuity Our back line is players that were here when Fergie left - what more continuity do you want? As for our defensive record... i've been through that one before. It is not a reflection on either the quality of our defenders or their defensive play. It is as a result of having the best keeper in the league and a side that is generally set up to be very slow paced and conservative. If Jose considers that Young and Valencia, flanking Smalling and Jones, is good enough to win the league or the CL, then he should be immediately fired because he has no idea the level of football required to win either anymore.
Cantona's Collars wrote: » Not quite "preparing a bid" but "considering a bid for Lewandowski and Thiago from Bayern'.https://twitter.com/IndyFootball/status/1019571618832625664
Giggsy11 wrote: » We have signed 2 new CBs, if still Smalling and Jones are playing then Jose should reconsider his transfer targets. If Jose can't think of a better fullback than Valencia and Young, what can anyone do. He wanted new contract to Young, wants him to play 50 games. Valencia is his captain. Our midfield and attack is completely new signings, still we don't look any better. Signing players is not the only solution. We sign players and next summer we will have same discussion that players signed are not good enough.
bangkok wrote: » https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/world-cup-2018/watch-messi-or-no-messi-we-fight-footage-emerges-of-rousing-paul-pogba-speeches-ahead-of-world-cup-games-37131124.html Give that man the captains armband!!
Pogba put inconsistent form for his club last season to enjoy a terrific tournament in Russia.
Mitch Connor wrote: » Young getting a new contract and Jose trusting him doesn't stop us wanting a full back (as many reoports indicate we do). Shaw is the player Jose wants to replace - with Young then likely becoming backup to that player. Maybe Jose sees a longer term future in Lindelof, so wants to sell Smalling (as reports indicate) and replace him. Our attack lacks balance - because we have a bunch of left sided players and no right sided players. We are weak at full back. We are weak at centre back. We are weak on the right side. As I said, kudos to Liverpool for identifying their weaknesses and addressing them. If United aren't looking for fullbacks, centre backs and right sided players then we are failing at the first step of even identifying weaknesses. That would, still, be a huge issue. If Jose thinks a back up, young, right back and a central midfielder will turn us from the side that finished 19points back to champions, or being abject in Europe to Champions... well, Woodward needs to pull his finger out, draw up some courage and sack Mourinho. If Jose has identified that a wide player (please for the right side), a couple of full backs, a centre back and centre mid are needed to be the top club in europe, or compete at that level, then Woodward needs to pull the finger out and get the targets in. If the team starts the season with the squad as is, we'll be lucky to finish top 4 this season. If people at the club do not see the issues, then there needs to be a reevaluation of the club's processes and decision making because there would be a serious lack of understanding.
Adamcp898 wrote: » Oh god no, think of the all the groans as Fellaini and Dost are waiting to come on in the 80th minute to try and get a goal for us.
Business Cat wrote: » If he can bring the kind of form he showed in the WC to the league, over a sustained period and not intermittently, then absolutely. He has not done nearly enough at United to deserve it and no amount of fluff pieces will change that.
Giggsy11 wrote: » We also have players who should be offloaded before adding few more. Also Smalling won't be sold, Everytime people say this, he always end up playing more and more games. Defensively he is better than anyone in the club, also there isn't a CB at club who even comes close to his aerial ability. We are not weak at CB, we have good enough players. Last season also we didn't have right winger, instead of signing one, Jose waned Perisic, who played all his career as LW. Obvious there are holes in the team, shame Jose see it differently. At ManUtd, coach is the boss, he decides which player should be signed. Hopefully this will change with additions to backroom staff.
bangkok wrote: » Are you happy with valencia as captain then? The players at united seem to idolise pogba as well, i would be happy to see him get it
TitianGerm wrote: » Mitch Connor wrote: » But Klopp said he would quit football before spending such fees. He didn't say "I'll quit unless such fees are funded by good business". I mean he said it over United signing Pogba - funded by massive sponsorship deals and merchandise income. If it was terrible for United to fund such a deal in such a way, why is it ok for Liverpool to do so now? Is it cause Klopp was talking through his ass for the benifit of his fans and was as wrong then as United fans said? If that is the case, just acknowledge he was is a liar and/or a hypocrite. £90m two years ago was huge. Two years later and were after seeing PSG blow that £90m fee out of the water. Barkley cost £15m with 6 months on his contract, Jordan Ibe went for £15m, Zaha is valued at £60m+. Couthino was nearly £140m. The fees are gone crazy. I doubt Jose, Klopp or any manger was expecting them to jump so much. I'd say they all thought the Pogba fee would be a record for a long time and that the market would normalise itself. Like De Gea might have been worth £50m two years ago, now United wouldn't blink for less than £100m. The market moved on. Klopp had to start paying large fees for excellent players or he could be paying £20m for average guys. If the Alisson transfer goes through I wonder how Liverpool and Untieds spending compares since both managers came in? I'd think Liverpool will be slightly higher now.
Mitch Connor wrote: » But Klopp said he would quit football before spending such fees. He didn't say "I'll quit unless such fees are funded by good business". I mean he said it over United signing Pogba - funded by massive sponsorship deals and merchandise income. If it was terrible for United to fund such a deal in such a way, why is it ok for Liverpool to do so now? Is it cause Klopp was talking through his ass for the benifit of his fans and was as wrong then as United fans said? If that is the case, just acknowledge he was is a liar and/or a hypocrite.
Giggsy11 wrote: » Miguel Delaney, he is a fraud and spoofer.
Mitch Connor wrote: » I honestly don't see how anyone could look at: Jones - and think good enough....... .....
Mitch Connor wrote: » I honestly don't see how anyone could look at: Jones - and think good enough. Smalling - and thing good enough. Rojo - and think good enough. .
If we were to put all our CBs are the market tomorrow - which of them get bought by any of the following to be first choice or in that conversation? Madrid, Bayern, City, Juve, Barcelona? Hell, would Liverpool even swap Lovren for any of them?
Business Cat wrote: » Im not happy with Valencia next nor near the team, he has it purely by default. The only one of the current regulars that I think deserves it is DDG. After that I'd be happy with Matic getting it, followed by Rom. Pogba is down the pecking order for me. He certainly is not worthy of adulation from his team mates either, maybe a couple of the young lads like Rashford or McTominay but from seasoned pros, no chance. Where do you even get this stuff from? Idolised my bollocks.
fatherted1969 wrote: » Think Mourinho was quoted at the time saying that the Pogba fee will be proved to be considerably cheaper than fees paid out in the next transfer window. I'm surprised that Klopp was so out of touch with the transfer market. Anyhoo I'm just happy to see all the pool fanboys doubling back on all the sneering they've been doing around transfer fees these days. No matter what fees he's paying out he still has to manage it and it remains to be seen whether he can get a group of players over the line in a championship in England. At some point he has to set his team out to win a tight game and I'm not sure if he's able to win enough of these games to win a league. Time will tell
Adamocovic wrote: » I admit, I'm a Jonesenite (Big Phil fan) but his name is always thrown into the mix. Personally don't see the point of dishing him out. He's a hugely valuable player to have in my eyes, gives his all, has some great games, loves the club, and acknowledging of his position and work required. Is he good enough for a spot on our team? Certainly think so. His work-rate is unreal and valuable asset in preparation and training, leads to why José and Southgate are both full of praise for him. The main criticism he gets is his injury history. I don't want to re-open that debate but I don't believe that to be enough of a reason to toss him to away. He has one of the smallest wages in the club too so money isn't a concern. He is a player who has potential to start if injuries didn't hold him back, but is a valuable back-up or alternative to have in the team. I do not see how selling him will help us overall. We will end up in this market paying big money on a player just at his level or less, who will be on bigger wages than him, and may not have as good of an attitude. I think Jones is an easy target for people complaining about the team. I rank the concern of bringing in a right-winger and two attacking full-backs way above our CB situation and certainly don't see how getting rid of Jones for another alternating CB will help our situation.
Cantona's Collars wrote: » First game tomorrow night/Friday morning at 3am our time against Club America.
Mitch Connor wrote: » United should be aiming at (imo, obviously): Dalot - New CB - Baily (?) - Sandro as a back four. Backing up that would be: Valencia - Jones - Lindelof - Young Rojo and TFM could possibly round that defensive squad out. Blind - Gone. Smalling - Sell. Darmian - Sell. I don't understand how anyone could look at the haphazzard way we defend, the lack of composure or clarity in the back line, the lack of command and leadership, the lack of decisiveness - and think continuing with the same set of CBs is going to yield different results - when the guys we have seen most at fault for this (based on the amount of times played even last season) are ones that have been here 6 or 7 years. They are not suddenly going to be dependable leaders that exude calm. That is even before we talk about ability on the ball, with respect to feeding midfield quickly and accurately.
Adamocovic wrote: » Another one of our repetitive debates of the summer. Jones and Smalling. It's gas so many call for them to be sold every season despite the fact that all the CBs we've brought in since Fergie's departure have failed to consistently keep them out of the team. Blind Rojo Bailly Lindelof If people think getting rid of Jones and Smalling to bring in some other CB will make our team finally click so be it. But the two of them are not to blame for our lack of creativity at times up top, our poor delivery and attacks from full-backs, and our lack of a true RW.
bangkok wrote: » Maybe jose thinks our defenders are good... rojo recently got a new long term contract. I think he is very poor
Cantona's Collars wrote: » Roy Keane helped launch the Liam Miller memorial game today. Some top players that Miller shared a pitch with will line out at Turner's Cross in September.
Lord TSC wrote: » But the issue here is that most teams don't set up against us in a manner that allows us to exploit Lukaku's pace. A good 60% of league games, the opposition parks 10 players into their box, packed deep and low. And they do that because the truth is it's extremely effective against us. It utterly kills Sanchez, Mata, Rashford and Martial's games. At that point, as much as it might not be sexy, we need an option off the bench who can get on the end of those crosses into packed boxes. I hate how many people refuse to accept "Plan B"s are a vital part of the tactical side of games. If playing sexy football isn't working, you need to have something radically different ready to go, and other than Fellaini, we just don't have that currently. I'd love Dost for that reason. Sure, we shouldn't want that as our overall play in every game. But we should have that option available if needed.
