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Anyone willing to admit that they supported the IRA at any point?

flookdgates

The PIRA had my passive support until the Enniskillen bombing. That was a low blow that was unforgivable. Never supported the CIRA or the RIRA. The Good Friday Agreement and peace process is the only way forward. Republican Sinn Fein and the 32CSM are meme-tier.

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DONTMATTER

Taytoland wrote: »

It wouldn't guarantee anything except Unionist resistance to Rome rule.

Ragnar Lothbrok

Taytoland wrote: »

It wouldn't guarantee anything except Unionist resistance to Rome rule.

In this context, I meant that a united Ireland would at least guarantee civil rights for all members of the northern population. Housing, education, employment etc would no longer be allocated on a basis of which branch of the Christian faith you happened to follow.

I'm under no illusions that the Unionists would have felt comfortable in the Ireland of the 70s, but at least their children wouldn't have been systematically discriminated against by the organs of the state.

Taytoland

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

It wouldn't guarantee anything except Unionist resistance to Rome rule.

In this context, I meant that a united Ireland would at least guarantee civil rights for all members of the northern population. Housing, education, employment etc would no longer be allocated on a basis of which branch of the Christian faith you happened to follow.

I'm under no illusions that the Unionists would have felt comfortable in the Ireland of the 70s, but at least their children wouldn't have been systematically discriminated against by the organs of the state.

To this very day you have Unionist institutions attacked such as Orange halls (many burned to the ground), Unionist housing estates getting battered with petrol bombs, stones etc. So much for equality. Most Unionists simply don't believe it and never have done. Personally I think it's nonsense propaganda.

6541

Taytoland wrote: »

To this very day you have Unionist institutions attacked such as Orange halls (many burned to the ground), Unionist housing estates getting battered with petrol bombs, stones etc. So much for equality. Most Unionists simply don't believe it and never have done. Personally I think it's nonsense propaganda.

The whole attack on the fountain is more then the media portrays.
They have a huge Bonnie with Irish Tricolors on it in the fountain. They are goading the young lads in the Bogside.

Ragnar Lothbrok

Taytoland wrote: »

To this very day you have Unionist institutions attacked such as Orange halls (many burned to the ground), Unionist housing estates getting battered with petrol bombs, stones etc. So much for equality. Most Unionists simply don't believe it and never have done. Personally I think it's nonsense propaganda.

Mindless sectarian attacks DO NOT equate to institutionalised sectarian discrimination, which is what Catholics in the north faced at that time.

I'd guess it wouldn't have been a picnic for the protestants in a united Ireland, at that time, but they would not have faced anything like the same oppression from the Gardaí and local/national authorities that Catholics in the north had to contend with. Not to mention the constant physical attacks from the British army.

Taytoland

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

To this very day you have Unionist institutions attacked such as Orange halls (many burned to the ground), Unionist housing estates getting battered with petrol bombs, stones etc. So much for equality. Most Unionists simply don't believe it and never have done. Personally I think it's nonsense propaganda.

Mindless sectarian attacks DO NOT equate to institutionalised sectarian discrimination, which is what Catholics in the north faced at that time.

I'd guess it wouldn't have been a picnic for the protestants in a united Ireland, at that time, but they would not have faced anything like the same oppression from the Gardaí and local/national authorities that Catholics in the north had to contend with. Not to mention the constant physical attacks from the British army.

I'd rather not have my house pelted with petrol bombs or stones thrown through the window simply because I am a Unionist. That is discrimination, it's clear hostility. I am still to see an example of this equality people talk about, I don't see it. What is the point when you have two peoples fighting and trying to burn houses down with petrol bombs? How is any of this equality, respect, tolerance?

FrancieBrady

Taytoland wrote: »

I'd rather not have my house pelted with petrol bombs or stones thrown through the window simply because I am a Unionist. That is discrimination, it's clear hostility. I am still to see an example of this equality people talk about, I don't see it. What is the point when you have two peoples fighting and trying to burn houses down with petrol bombs? How is any of this equality, respect, tolerance?

The hand is out, and has been out from political nationalists for a long time. Political Unionism refuses to take it and drop the last vestiges of a sectarian and culturally bigoted state.
The same state Ian Paisley accepted was bigoted. The same state that wouldn't allow people to own houses much less have a house to be petrol bombed. They still block rights that everyone else on these islands have.

If Unionism could do that, maybe all the north can get back to the work of normalising society, because it has NEVER been a normal society since partition.

May Contain Small Parts

DONTMATTER wrote: »

I don't know what that is but what amazes me is the amount of British army terrorist supporters that we have in Ireland. I don't think they're all northern unionists either.

it's a common mistake to assume that there's a right side and a wrong side in every conflict. Usually it's two wrong sides.

Similarly, people who are in a conflict or support a particular side trend to assume* that "if you're not for us, you must be against us".
mostly others are looking on thinking "what a bunch of eejits".

* (that's giving you the benefit of that doubt that you're not using it as a clumsy straw-man)

DONTMATTER

May Contain Small Parts wrote: »

it's a common mistake to assume that there's a right side and a wrong side in every conflict. Usually it's two wrong sides.

Similarly, people who are in a conflict or support a particular side trend to assume* that "if you're not for us, you must be against us".
mostly others are looking on thinking "what a bunch of eejits".

* (that's giving you the benefit of that doubt that you're not using it as a clumsy straw-man)

You've just assumed that I'm on a particular side. You're not looking too clever right now.

feargale

maccored wrote: »

"a small state, especially one that is closely affiliated to or has emerged from the break-up of a larger state"

Describes the north perfectly

That's great. It's used so often in these threads, to the point of becoming a cliché, that some of us thought it was something bad. But that's ok. So it's just another Belgium or Luxembourg or Iceland.

DONTMATTER

feargale wrote: »

That's great. It's used so often in these threads, to the point of becoming a cliché, that some of us thought it was something bad. But that's ok. So it's just another Belgium or Luxembourg or Iceland.

You need to read a history book.

feargale

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Benign indifference? It's actually crazy how some people can still excuse what happened. It was nearly two centuries ago, what's the point in denying it now? There was enough food in Ireland to avoid a famine of any sort. The quality crops were all exported and only low quality foods were available. It was a purposeful act to kill as many native Irish as possible.

1. Show me who or what I have excused.

2. "It was a purposeful act to kill as many native Irish as possible." - Source please.

3. "The quality crops were all exported and only low quality foods were available." Now tell us, who profited?

Unlike some armchair "republicans" I have no interest in excusing anyone for the famine. As usuallly happens in the wake of a famine, the effects last for generations. I grew up in a part of the country that was among the worst affected. Some of my antecedents suffered. But I expect that to garner as much sympathy here as the assertion by some posters that their lives were adversely affected by events in Northern Ireland 1969-1996.

corner of hells

DONTMATTER wrote: »

So what?

You didn't answer my questions. Does that mean you support the murders committed by the British security forces in Ireland?

It's not worth an answer.

DONTMATTER

feargale wrote: »

1. Show me who or what I have excused.

2. "It was a purposeful act to kill as many native Irish as possible." - Source please.

3. "The quality crops were all exported and only low quality foods were available." Now tell us, who profited?

Unlike some armchair "republicans" I have no interest in excusing anyone for the famine. As usuallly happens in the wake of a famine, the effects last for generations. I grew up in a part of the country that was among the worst affected. Some of my antecedents suffered. But I expect that to garner as much sympathy here as the assertion by some posters that their lives were adversely affected by events in Northern Ireland 1969-1996.

1. Read the post I quoted from you.

2. As I said to you in a later post, time for you to read some history books.

3. Profited? The ruling class, look at who suffered, millions of ordinary Irish people.

You're just making stuff up now. You did excuse the British part in inflicting mass suffering on the native Irish, who's an armchair republican?

DONTMATTER

corner of hells wrote: »

It's not worth an answer.

You can't even condemn the murders and absolute misery inflicted upon people by the British security forces. Shameful.

corner of hells

DONTMATTER wrote: »

You can't even condemn the murders and absolute misery inflicted upon people by the British security forces. Shameful.

Do I have to ?
I imagine you'd be hard pushed to find anyone who condones the death of civilians at the hands of soldiers.

JupiterKid

No, not in my lifetime. I was born in Belfast but my family moved to Dublin given the turmoil and killings up there in the 1970s. I remember the 1987 Enniskillen remembrance day atrocity and the dying words of 19 year old nurse Marie Wilson as she lay in her father's arms. The chip shop bombing on the Shankill road, the Warrington bombing killing two children, the shootings, etc etc etc . Omagh in 1998, the list just goes on and on and in...

Loyalist terror groups like the UDA also committed horrific acts of violence like the Shankill Butchers and 50 years of NI being a sectarian Protestant state and the despicable treatment of Catholics until the 1980s meant that despite the attempts to peacefully push for change the brutal police and B specials reaction to such protests sadly meant that violence was, sadly, inevitable. My parents were involved in NICRA but the brutal reaction to those peaceful marches for civil liberties inevitably led to bloodshed. The more you oppress a people, the more they fight back. This is the fatal mistake the NI Stormont govt made in 1968/69 which led to the virtual destruction of their province. They reaped what they sowed.

And if I was a young man in Derry during Bloody Sunday in 1972, I may well have joined the IRA. It was probably their biggest recruitment drive thanks to the brutality of the Paras. I can understand the fury at the sheer injustice of that massacre. Also the Dublin and Monaghan bombings of 1974 Who knows? But the bloodshed was immense and the heartache was everywhere. The Peace Process changed that and NI has come on in leaps and bounds but the legacy of the bloodshed will remain in popular consciousness for at least a century to come. NI remains a very distorted, fractured society and that is very very sad. A lot of hatred and bigotry and tribalism still abound.

Im sure certain quarters will have a go at me, but my conscience is clear. I never want to see Ireland return to those evil, dark days.

DONTMATTER

corner of hells wrote: »

Do I have to ?
I imagine you'd be hard pushed to find anyone who condones the death of civilians at the hands of soldiers.

Oh you hardcore republicans sicken me, are you going to be waving your no to foreign sports flag when some British royals visit?

badabing106

It's coming home

[Deleted User]

Could you not make the poll public, just so we can take down the names of those who chose option 2?

JupiterKid

No surprises that the bitter and twisted armchair republicans (and one or two armchair loyalists on here) have been drawn to this thread like flies to sh*te. They literally cream their pants with their inability to forgive and their hatreds. The stench of hatred is palpable.

We need to move on. Northern Ireland will remain deeply scarred for decades to come but some normaity is gradually returning and picking over who did what and who was "right" does nobody any favours. Hatred and bloodshed were carried out on both sides of that evil conflict.

Which I want to see move further and further behind us in the passage of history. An entire generation is growing up with far less of the hatreds of the ageing, bitter armchair terrorist apologists.

DONTMATTER

JupiterKid wrote: »

No surprises that the bitter and twisted armchair republicans (and one or two armchair loyalists on here) have been drawn to this thread like flies to sh*te. They literally cream their pants with their inability to forgive and their hatreds. The stench of hatred is palpable.

We need to move on. Northern Ireland will remain deeply scarred for decades to come but some normaity is gradually returning and picking over who did what and who was "right" does nobody any favours. Hatred and bloodshed were carried on both sides of that evil conflict.

Which I want to see move further and further behind us in the passage of history.

The families of victims deserve justice. There should be a full truth commission. That's the only way wounds are healed. Some areas are even more split than ever. Things aren't normal.

JupiterKid

DONTMATTER wrote: »

The families of victims deserve justice. There should be a full truth commission. That's the only way wounds are healed. Some areas are even more split than ever. Things aren't normal.

I have many friends and relatives in Northern Ireland (hell, I was born in Belfast) and I know the place very well and I can tell you that things up thete are a hell of a kot more normal than 30 or 40 years ago. Also intermarriage between both sides of the "religious" divide is at an all time high.

In fact the issues I see now for the North are its problematic propped up economy, its infrastructure deficit, treatment of ethnic minorities and LGBT people and of course, Brexit. These things werent even remotely on the radar screen 35 years ago.

Taytoland

DONTMATTER wrote: »

JupiterKid wrote: »

No surprises that the bitter and twisted armchair republicans (and one or two armchair loyalists on here) have been drawn to this thread like flies to sh*te. They literally cream their pants with their inability to forgive and their hatreds. The stench of hatred is palpable.

We need to move on. Northern Ireland will remain deeply scarred for decades to come but some normaity is gradually returning and picking over who did what and who was "right" does nobody any favours. Hatred and bloodshed were carried on both sides of that evil conflict.

Which I want to see move further and further behind us in the passage of history.

The families of victims deserve justice. There should be a full truth commission. That's the only way wounds are healed. Some areas are even more split than ever. Things aren't normal.

No point as not everyone will come forward. An amnesty is the only thing to kill it and leave it in the history books. Or of course time can do that naturally.

DONTMATTER

JupiterKid wrote: »

I have many friends and relatives in Northern Ireland (hell, I was born in Belfast) and I know the place very well and I can tell you that things up thete are a hell of a kot more normal than 30 or 40 years ago. Also intermarriage between both sides of the "religious" divide is at an all time high.

In fact the issues I see now for the North are its problematic propped up economy, its infrastructure deficit, treatment of ethnic minorities and LGBT people and of course, Brexit. These things werent even remotely on the radar screen 35 years ago.

You don't find justice for the victims families as important?

DONTMATTER

Taytoland wrote: »

No point as not everyone will come forward. An amnesty is the only thing to kill it and leave it in the history books. Or of course time can do that naturally.

If enough people demand it but unfortunately some don't want the truth out in the open.

PTH2009

A united Ireland could lead to more bloodbath as the people opposed will attack and we could god forbid see serious attacks in the south. Imagine an attack on a stadium like Croke Park/Aviva, large outdoor concert or event

An independent 50/50 Northern Ireland away from the UK/Republic is the way to go

Some lads who think there 'republican and love the RA' don't have a clue about it all and just do it cause they saw it in the movies.

It's a different time today as back in the 60s/70s and 80s there was no/ very little Eastern Europeans/African/middle eastern immigrants living in Ireland and we don't knw if it all kicked off again would some of these gangs (which exist but only a small minority) get involved ??

maccored

PTH2009 wrote: »

A united Ireland could lead to more bloodbath as the people opposed will attack and we could god forbid see serious attacks in the south. Imagine an attack on a stadium like Croke Park/Aviva, large outdoor concert or event

An independent 50/50 Northern Ireland away from the UK/Republic is the way to go

Some lads who think there 'republican and love the RA' don't have a clue about it all and just do it cause they saw it in the movies.

It's a different time today as back in the 60s/70s and 80s there was no/ very little Eastern Europeans/African/middle eastern immigrants living in Ireland and we don't knw if it all kicked off again would some of these gangs (which exist but only a small minority) get involved ??

you must be very concerned about brexit then, since a hard border is all thats needed now to start it off again

feargale

DONTMATTER wrote: »

You need to read a history book.

That is a clumsy, spraygun attempt to deflect from my challenge to you to substantiate or show a source for the following statement of yours:

DONTMATTER wrote: »

. It (i.e. the Great Famine) was a purposeful act to kill as many native Irish as possible.

As for your history lecture, I read history at university before your posterior was the size of a shirtbutton, in particular Ireland under the Union. Your posts here would suggest that your knowledge of that period begins and ends with pamphlets published by an Phoblacht.

DONTMATTER wrote: »

3. Profited? The ruling class, look at who suffered, millions of ordinary Irish people.

Including much of the rising Irish Catholic middle class who profited. But don't let such complexities tax your propagandist mind or your simplistic version of events. After all, they don't bother your bible, an Phoblacht. There were landlords who profited and others who bankrupted themselves in efforts at relief.

You have been doing fine on threads to do with the proposed GAA partition of Dublin. You need to up your game on the partition of Ireland.

lonewolf1961

nothing but bully boy,s ... great in gangs ... but fooked on there own .