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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

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Mitch Connor

Andrew Beef wrote: »

It’s funny that I’d level the same criticism as United fans who blindly support Fellaini as if he’s some kind of folk hero. He is not; he is a poor quality footballer, a hatchet man, and a player who is rightly the subject of ridicule from fans with a keener eye. He wouldn’t look out of place playing for Ireland. At United, he looks like one of us who has collected enough cereal boxes to play a game with our heroes.

Classic Boards.ie United thread stuff though to be fair. No United player can be criticised or the gang are on you like a shot. Had Boards been around back in the day, any criticism of Willem Prunier’s performance against Spurs would have been attacked.

Laughable.

Absolute BS to the point you are clearly just lying for effect.

Darmian, smalling, Jones, lindelof, young, valencia, Shaw, fellaini, Herrera, pogba, Sanchez, martial - off the top of my head, all players who have received a load of criticism in just the last season.

You are full of sh1t and i feel you only reason for being on here is to antagonise people and try to elevate your fcking weird internet ego. "ooohhhb I'm the only one who understands football and can see the reality... I'm so smart."

Absolute trash.

Julez

bucketybuck wrote: »

I didn't get any messages. Sounds like I'd vote for him though.

Lets make Jayo26 the King of the United thread?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x8GjR308yw

Guess who?

brinty

The power will go to his head

Let's just promote Lord TeSCo

brinty

pjohnson wrote:

(Nicknames for Herrera and McTominay welcome)

Herro and Mr (Mc)T

Will I Am Not

5 more weeks until the start of the season :eek: Only after seeing that we kick off on the Friday night :rolleyes:

Mitch Connor

Will I Am Not wrote: »

5 more weeks until the start of the season :eek: Only after seeing that we kick off on the Friday night :rolleyes:

Less than 5 weeks to move on, and sign, a bunch of players too. United need to get a move on, a lot of work to be done.

Crimson King

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Less than 5 weeks to move on, and sign, a bunch of players too. United need to get a move on, a lot of work to be done.

I fall for this thought every 2 yrs but I'm hoping the groundwork is already done and agreed with no news to stop distractions. However panic stations will probably resume in a few weeks as usual.

Jose does seem to prefer getting his targets early... I'm still clinging to that hope

fatherted1969

Andrew Beef wrote: »

It’s funny that I’d level the same criticism as United fans who blindly support Fellaini as if he’s some kind of folk hero. He is not; he is a poor quality footballer, a hatchet man, and a player who is rightly the subject of ridicule from fans with a keener eye. He wouldn’t look out of place playing for Ireland. At United, he looks like one of us who has collected enough cereal boxes to play a game with our heroes.

Classic Boards.ie United thread stuff though to be fair. No United player can be criticised or the gang are on you like a shot. Had Boards been around back in the day, any criticism of Willem Prunier’s performance against Spurs would have been attacked.

Laughable.

16 Utd players had more yellow cards than Fellaini last season but you obviously don't judge a players indiscretions on cards or fouls of which he had only 14 I believe. We need to get rid of Valencia 7 times as many as Fellaini, Young 6 times, Pogba 5 times. I'm surprised at Lukaku who has 4 times as many yellows as Fellaini. What a tramp!! Need to get rid of these players

Mitch Connor

Crimson King wrote: »

I fall for this thought every 2 yrs but I'm hoping the groundwork is already done and agreed with no news to stop distractions. However panic stations will probably resume in a few weeks as usual.

Jose does seem to prefer getting his targets early... I'm still clinging to that hope

Has that ever been the case? Have United ever had deals done and held off announcing for weeks? What distractions would we be looking to avoid?

clubberlang12

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Less than 5 weeks to move on, and sign, a bunch of players too. United need to get a move on, a lot of work to be done.

So just quickly looking at the main players in the Premier League and the non youth type signings made :

Arsenal - Leno(not at WC), Lichtensteiner(at WC), Papostoupolos(not at WC)
Chelsea - None
Liverpool - Keita(deal done months ago), Fabinho(deal done prior to WC starting)
Man City - None
Spurs - None

United - Fred, Dalot

So looking at the above it would seem that nearly everyone has been slower making desired signings. Not unusual seeing as a lot of players wanted are/were probably involved in the WC, and would have gone straight from club season to WC training camps and then to the tournament itself. Deals are not going to get done, as per medicals, etc , while still involved in WC. I would argue that the Fred deal was finalised simply as he was in the UK at the time. Had he been further afield, it would not have been so. Deals are complicated and can take months, not days, to sort out.
Looking at the other deals done by the clubs, the movement seems to have been with players not involved the WC, or the deals perhaps were being negotiated in the months prior to the WC, which i think is most likely the case with Lichtsteiner and Fabinho.

So in perspective, I don't think we are being slow to sign targets, as the evidence seems to be there with the other clubs, and with the major clubs around Europe in general.

IncognitoMan

Nuts102 wrote: »

Watching the game in a pub last night and the amount of united fans abusing Fellaini.

I have never seen a player like him before where people just can't change their opinion.

A warrior broke up everything and the best player on the pitch in a quarter final, destroyed fernandinho.

Where are all the people who want Mctoninay to be ahead of him in the squad.

What an option to have from the bench.

Right here. I said he was a good option from the bench to be fair. Also get him up around the opposition box and that's where's he useful. I thought he did really well when he did that against Japan.

Fair play to him he did a job last night and Belgium deserved the win. He wasn't man of the match by any stretch but he was very good.

The point was never that Fellaini doesn't have good aspects to his game or that he's completely incapable of putting in a shift here and there it was that he isn't good enough to be a starting midfielder for United. Fine as a back up but Matic, Pogba, Herrera and new signing Fred (hopefully) are all much better midfielders than he is.

On the McTominay point, he is young and might develop into a decent midfielder that's why I'd have him ahead of Fellaini for a midfield spot. United has always been about promoting and giving a chance to youth so I won't ever feel ashamed of that view.

He had a decent couple of games in the world cup also. Let's not get too carried away. If he has 3/4 decent months in a Manchester United midfield then we might have something to talk about. But that won't happen, it hasn't happened consistently for 5 seasons now. A grand squad option though and I'm delighted he's having a good world cup.

Edit: abusing fellaini isn't right though. Offering criticism is OK but abuse is not. I've not been on here abusing the lad.

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Herrera hasn't done anything to elevate him above Fellaini.

IncognitoMan

Liam O wrote: »

Herrera hasn't done anything to elevate him above Fellaini.

Ah... wasn't herrera named our player of the year for 2016/17. Had to do something for that. Didn't have a good season last year mind but played better towards the end.

Mitch Connor

clubberlang12 wrote: »

So just quickly looking at the main players in the Premier League and the non youth type signings made :

Arsenal - Leno(not at WC), Lichtensteiner(at WC), Papostoupolos(not at WC)
Chelsea - None
Liverpool - Keita(deal done months ago), Fabinho(deal done prior to WC starting)
Man City - None
Spurs - None

United - Fred, Dalot

So looking at the above it would seem that nearly everyone has been slower making desired signings. Not unusual seeing as a lot of players wanted are/were probably involved in the WC, and would have gone straight from club season to WC training camps and then to the tournament itself. Deals are not going to get done, as per medicals, etc , while still involved in WC. I would argue that the Fred deal was finalised simply as he was in the UK at the time. Had he been further afield, it would not have been so. Deals are complicated and can take months, not days, to sort out.
Looking at the other deals done by the clubs, the movement seems to have been with players not involved the WC, or the deals perhaps were being negotiated in the months prior to the WC, which i think is most likely the case with Lichtsteiner and Fabinho.

So in perspective, I don't think we are being slow to sign targets, as the evidence seems to be there with the other clubs, and with the major clubs around Europe in general.

1. I really don't care if other teams are equally slow. I want them to be in a mess and disrupted as the season starts. I want united to be hitting the ground running. Why would fans not want as much sorted as possible for the preseason tour?
2. United have a lot of player movement to get through to have a squad to win the league or compete for the CL imo.
3. United linked with Sandro. If that is a real thing, he isn't at the wc. No reason we couldn't be getting that done.
4.PL clubs have deliberately, and stupidly, made the window shorter so more pressure to get things done quick.
5. What we needed to do should have been understood long ago - performances at the wc should not change plans. So why could United not have been bidding for the players we wanted weeks ago like we did dalot and Fred? Why not look to get Sandro and Alderweireld sorted in May /early June for example?
6. The WC and shorter window are not surprises, so should have been planned and executed around, not result in a limbo.
7.once we go on tour the excuse will be "we are on tour /players we want are on tour.

I don't see evidence that United are quick at getting deals done so with 5 weeks to go on the time line to sign players it is a worry to me that we still have players like Darmian and Blind in the squad and huge weaknesses to address. You claim deals can take months.... Well we literally don't have months at this point.

Mitch Connor

Liam O wrote: »

Herrera hasn't done anything to elevate him above Fellaini.

Totally disagree. Especially first season under Jose.

He was irritatingly terrible last season apart from the final stretch but at his best he has shown himself to have a higher ceiling and better fit with our midfield than Fellaini.

Andrew Beef

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Andrew Beef wrote: »

It’s funny that I’d level the same criticism as United fans who blindly support Fellaini as if he’s some kind of folk hero. He is not; he is a poor quality footballer, a hatchet man, and a player who is rightly the subject of ridicule from fans with a keener eye. He wouldn’t look out of place playing for Ireland. At United, he looks like one of us who has collected enough cereal boxes to play a game with our heroes.

Classic Boards.ie United thread stuff though to be fair. No United player can be criticised or the gang are on you like a shot. Had Boards been around back in the day, any criticism of Willem Prunier’s performance against Spurs would have been attacked.

Laughable.

Absolute BS to the point you are clearly just lying for effect.

Darmian, smalling, Jones, lindelof, young, valencia, Shaw, fellaini, Herrera, pogba, Sanchez, martial - off the top of my head, all players who have received a load of criticism in just the last season.

You are full of sh1t and i feel you only reason for being on here is to antagonise people and try to elevate your fcking weird internet ego. "ooohhhb I'm the only one who understands football and can see the reality... I'm so smart."

Absolute trash.

Good man Mitch. Charming as always. This forum is an object of ridicule for real United fans. Why? The cliques, the herd mentality, the bullying of other posters, and the shortage of people capable of having an adult debate.

Fellaini? An abomination who should be sweeping the stands instead of being watched from them.

Will I Am Not

Andrew Beef wrote: »

Good man Mitch. Charming as always. This forum is an object of ridicule for real United fans. Why? The cliques, the herd mentality, the bullying of other posters, and the shortage of people capable of having an adult debate.

Fellaini? An abomination who should be sweeping the stands instead of being watched from them.

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Mitch Connor

Andrew Beef wrote: »

Good man Mitch. Charming as always. This forum is an object of ridicule for real United fans. Why? The cliques, the herd mentality, the bullying of other posters, and the shortage of people capable of having an adult debate.

Fellaini? An abomination who should be sweeping the stands instead of being watched from them.

And plenty of people have given fellaini plenty of sh1t, me included.

Yiu are simply lying about player criticism on here as if you're the only one that does it.

You are full of BS.

Andrew Beef

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Andrew Beef wrote: »

Good man Mitch. Charming as always. This forum is an object of ridicule for real United fans. Why? The cliques, the herd mentality, the bullying of other posters, and the shortage of people capable of having an adult debate.

Fellaini? An abomination who should be sweeping the stands instead of being watched from them.

And plenty of people have given fellaini plenty of sh1t, me included.

Yiu are simply lying about player criticism on here as if you're the only one that does it.

You are full of BS.

Not at all. There are a few beacons of common sense. But it’s mostly yes-men and fanboys.

DARK-KNIGHT

Not even worth it

Can't call a user a moron openly so I will say no more

clubberlang12

Mitch Connor wrote: »

1. I really don't care if other teams are equally slow. I want them to be in a mess and disrupted as the season starts. I want united to be hitting the ground running. Why would fans not want as much sorted as possible for the preseason tour?
2. United have a lot of player movement to get through to have a squad to win the league or compete for the CL imo.
3. United linked with Sandro. If that is a real thing, he isn't at the wc. No reason we couldn't be getting that done.
4.PL clubs have deliberately, and stupidly, made the window shorter so more pressure to get things done quick.
5. What we needed to do should have been understood long ago - performances at the wc should not change plans. So why could United not have been bidding for the players we wanted weeks ago like we did dalot and Fred? Why not look to get Sandro and Alderweireld sorted in May /early June for example?
6. The WC and shorter window are not surprises, so should have been planned and executed around, not result in a limbo.
7.once we go on tour the excuse will be "we are on tour /players we want are on tour.

I don't see evidence that United are quick at getting deals done so with 5 weeks to go on the time line to sign players it is a worry to me that we still have players like Darmian and Blind in the squad and huge weaknesses to address. You claim deals can take months.... Well we literally don't have months at this point.

1. Other teams seem to be following the trend........not that they are being slow. It's the same all across Europe, not just the Premiership. I'm sure every City, Spurs, Real, Barcelona, PSG fan wants the same. But it's not Football Manager the clubs are playing. This is business, and in any business deals can be prolonged and complicated.
2. Again, referring to above point........deals either way take time
3. Paper talk. We get linked to numerous players all year round. Doesn't mean we are actually in for them. Only yesterday you called out Bangkok for saying the Sandro deal was a done deal and now wondering why we haven't signed him!!
4. The shortened window has yet to be seen how it will work out. Does shortening it for 2 weeks(or whatever it is) mean that clubs will not sign players they are trying to sign. If it was 2 weeks longer than the original, would that mean teams would sign more first team players. They have a deadline and they work with it. The same way it has always been, even before the 2 window system.
5. I'm sure Mourinho and co have the list of potential targets drawn up long ago. Again it's not simply FM they are playing, these deals take time. Clubs have to be negotiated with, agents, the players themselves may be pondering over the move. The fact is you, me or anyone here (except Bangkok

) have absolutely no idea what is going on behind closed doors, despite how many paper or twitter quotes.
6. Covered by above points
7. A personal view.

Well by evidence of overall summer signings, we aren't slow and seem to be ahead of the majority. With regard squad players like Darmian and Blind, I'd be happy for them to remain as so.....squad players. Every side needs squad players to compete. Why would we sell them on the cheap and then have to fork out more money because of our rich club status and integrate new squad players!! Jose has started to address the issues....central midfielder signed, could argue that Dalot is a step to addressing right back issues although i would prefer a more ready made solution. Numerous links to right sided players and centre backs as well as talk of looking for a back up to lukaku. Yes, deals can take months and for all we know there may already be months into negotiations already. Again, you nor me have any clue about how the intricacies of these deals work. If by the passing of deadline day we haven't signed the world and his friend, by all means, voice your annoyance but considering the summer that is in it and the trend of summer transfers at the moment, this whole "End Is Nigh" craic is premature in my opinion.

Mitch Connor

Andrew Beef wrote: »

Not at all. There are a few beacons of common sense. But it’s mostly yes-men and fanboys.

Rubbish. Absolute rubbish. You are a liar, plain and simply a liar who just likes to take shots at the population of the thread in general, probably cause it makes you feel smart and better than people you've never met.

pjohnson

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Rubbish. Absolute rubbish. You are a liar, plain and simply a liar who just likes to take shots at the population of the thread in general, probably cause it makes you feel smart and better than people you've never met.

This reminds me of Homer
I am so smart. S-M-R-T

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcGQpjCztgA

Edit: to clarify I dont mean Mitch. I mean the smart man slumming it with the great unwashed common folk.

brinty

Jeez Mitch go easy there my good man. I can feel the hatred emanating off you. Don't raise to the bull manure,you're fat better than that.

You're the one guy who'll take a view point (RE transfers recently) opposing most of us but you argue your points well,extremely passionately and are accepting of opposing view points. And long may it continue

As for others going on about cliques and factions.. get over it

It's called life it happens

People of similar viewpoints will always get on better,talk about things and back each other up ... its human nature
People like Mitch can take an opposing view but if they argue their points well their views will be heard

Those taking diametrically opposed views to 95% of people are lacking something in their life and continue to argue beyond reason maybe need to look in the mirror a bit...

bucketybuck

clubberlang12 wrote: »

Again it's not simply FM they are playing, these deals take time.

There is little as patronising as the comment that "these transfers take time". Like, no shit sherlock, we have all seen a few transfers over the years, we all know how they go at this stage.

And its precisely because they take time that fans should be concerned right now, because time is a luxury the club doesn't really have.

In terms of movements the club needs about a dozen deals done, between in's and out's. Thats over a deal a week on average. I've seen a few transfer windows in my time and to me its becoming increasingly clear that the club will not have everything I would suggest needs doing, done in time.

And thats an issue, because we have known what we needed for a long, long time now.

Lord TSC

I feel as if Ronnie moving will start the dominos.

Juve could have to offload following it. Sandro for money, Manduzikc whose play time will deminish now,

Real will want to start their rebuild focus quickly. If Bale is moving, think that will happen quick. If not, I think we will have multiple backups ready.

I remember Sokratis a few weeks ago saying that before joining Arsenal, we made contact but asked jo, to wait till the end of July to move, and he rejected that proposal. But I'd say there are others with similar offers.

I think we still are after our first choice transfers; Sandro, bale and Toby. But there's deals 90% done that we are just waiting to see how the final chips fall before pushing on hard with.

bucketybuck

Lord TSC wrote: »

I feel as if Ronnie moving will start the dominos.

And when those cards fall? Checkmate!

bangkok

Super header

Mitch Connor

brinty wrote: »

Don't raise to the bull manure,you're fat better than that.

Damn - I know I eat a lot of Ben and Jerrys, but I feel my gym work keeps me in reasonable shape.

And yeah - I take criticsm for my stance opn certain subjects, and I have had good debates on here on them - it just sticks in my craw when people make up blatant lies, apply them to the entire thread, and try to act above the rest of us on the back of it. And that guy in particular is consistent at it.

Rossi IRL

Maguire would be an instant upgrade on Smalling and Jones