Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

beakerjoe wrote: »

Pogba doesnt contribute enough to be a world class palyer. He has the talent, but hasnt the application. He rarely delivers.

Hes strong, great passer but he switches off too easily, his work rate is below the standard and his decison making often is just bad.

He hasnt done well for United and IMO drags us down.

I don't usually agree with Richie Sadlier but he hit the nail on the head in saying Pogba seems happier to do flashy pieces of individual skill, I.e step overs etc than to actually do basic things that will have a bigger contribution to the team game

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jayo26 wrote: »

He did well in the game if course he did but nothing more.

If He put in decent performances for United like that secind half again next season not many would complain but he wasn't best player on pitch.

I haven't discussed who the best player on the pitch was.

But out of interest who was? Thought the performance was professional and quite easy in the end for France.

But I'm not sure there was many candidates for MOTM

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FixitFelix wrote: »

I'm not here to bash pogba but he only came into the game when France went 2-0 up, agree Uruguay tried to ruin France's game and didn't produce anything attacking wise

I don't believe so. He was heavily involved from 45 minutes onwards

Just re-watched the second goal. His drive forward and pass set up the chance.

Nor am I looking for an argument

The embarrassing critic RTE are giving as France move into the Semi Final and the targeted approach at Paul Pogba

beakerjoe

Pogba doesnt contribute enough to be a world class palyer. He has the talent, but hasnt the application. He rarely delivers.

Hes strong, great passer but he switches off too easily, his work rate is below the standard and his decison making often is just bad.

He hasnt done well for United and IMO drags us down.

Fred The Red wrote: »

Thought he played well second half

The game in general was poor, Uruguay provided nothing

France controlled the game

He did well in the game if course he did but nothing more.

If He put in decent performances for United like that secind half again next season not many would complain but he wasn't best player on pitch.

Fred The Red wrote: »

Thought he played well second half

The game in general was poor, Uruguay provided nothing

I'm not here to bash pogba but he only came into the game when France went 2-0 up, agree Uruguay tried to ruin France's game and didn't produce anything attacking wise

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Thought he played well second half

The game in general was poor, Uruguay provided nothing

France controlled the game

Business Cat wrote: »

FixitFelix wrote: »

You must be joking? Non existent in first half, constantly giving the ball away.

Bangkok is a cyclops of hyperbole when it comes to Pogba.

Does the most rudimentary things right = best player on the pitch. Guess bangkok has those blinkers on.

Does the most rudimentary things wrong = being played out of position / managers fault.

No you my friend are making sense:)

FixitFelix wrote: »

You must be joking? Non existent in first half, constantly giving the ball away.

And that is why it's so obvious I honestly donno why you all bother anymore.

Business Cat wrote: »

FixitFelix wrote: »

You must be joking? Non existent in first half, constantly giving the ball away.

Bangkok is a cyclops of hyperbole when it comes to Pogba.

Does the most rudimentary things right = best player on the pitch. Guess bangkok has those blinkers on.

Does the most rudimentary things wrong = being played out of position / managers fault.

No you my friend are making sense:) just more

Liam McPoyle

FixitFelix wrote: »

You must be joking? Non existent in first half, constantly giving the ball away.

Bangkok is a cyclops of hyperbole when it comes to Pogba.

Does the most rudimentary things right = best player on the pitch.

Does the most rudimentary things wrong = being played out of position / managers fault.

bangkok wrote: »

Pogba best player on the pitch

You must be joking? Non existent in first half, constantly giving the ball away.

bangkok

Pogba best player on the pitch

Liam McPoyle

Load of shyte

Tuesday 25th September 2018
Turners Cross, Cork
Kick off 3pm

3 o'clock on a funking Tuesday.

:rolleyes:

Cotts72

Business Cat wrote: »

Pity there isn't a bigger venue that could be used in Cork, it would easily sell out at least twice over I'd say.

The lineup looks quality, any idea when tickets are on sale

Liam McPoyle

Niska wrote: »

There'll be trbute game for Liam Miller in Turners Cross, Sept 25:

http://www.liammillertribute.com/

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/football-superstars-lined-up-for-cork-tribute-to-liam-miller-471645.html

http://www.the42.ie/liam-miller-tribute-match-4112375-Jul2018/

United Legends vs Ireland and Celtic Legends.

Pity there isn't a bigger venue that could be used in Cork, it would easily sell out at least twice over I'd say.

Niska

There'll be trbute game for Liam Miller in Turners Cross, Sept 25:

http://www.liammillertribute.com/

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/football-superstars-lined-up-for-cork-tribute-to-liam-miller-471645.html

http://www.the42.ie/liam-miller-tribute-match-4112375-Jul2018/

United Legends vs Ireland and Celtic Legends.

Among the players confirmed to honour the 21-time capped Ireland international are United legends Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, Denis Irwin, Jaap Stam, Louis Saha, Nicky Butt and Rio Ferdinand, while Roy Keane will lead the side.

pjohnson

That second photo......Shaw is not looking like a footballer anyway.

astradave wrote: »

Oh god please no one quote those :pac:

At your service

Trigger

Oh god please no one quote those :pac:

Too late

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Just for context he looks like an overweight lad who just completed a 8 week transformation .,he's looks better than he did but he doesn't look like a professional athlete

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TOp one is Shaw now and the bottom one is Shaw 2016 summer, There is a huge difference

Adamocovic wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

If them pictures where of any other United player ud be saying jesus they put on some weight over the summer. He still looks way over weight for a pro footballer its not the 1980's

From your posts it's very clear where you stand regarding Luke Shaw.

Listen, we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. I don't see anything from those images that would make me think he is over-weight, let alone way over-weight.

Also with Luke Shaw the main arguments I understand are regarding to consistent performances, staying injury free and apparently not giving it all in training. I can accept those areas but I don't buy into this idea that he is completely out of shape.

Whenever he has played energy and pace are the two main things he get's complimented on for bringing into the team. Good going for a seemingly obese footballer.

Just for context he looks like an overweight lad who just completed a 8 week transformation .,he's looks better than he did but he doesn't look like a professional athlete