Deleted User wrote: » And if they don't believe him to be gay, but continue to make the insults and the assault? Is that still a homophobic attack? I wouldn't have thought it would be.
ELM327 wrote: » a month of our faces being rubbed in glitter, spandex and leather.
gmisk wrote: » Yeah I am sure that is exactly what has happened..... Did you actually go to pride this year?
ELM327 wrote: » Clearly you are unfamiliar with analogy. I did not go to the pride parade this year, despite almost enforced attendance by the company.
gmisk wrote: » Lighten up seriously...its over now anyway
ELM327 wrote: » You can't speak to some people, there's a lot of precious people or social justice warriors on this thread. I started out on the thread as a middle ground person, yes voter to SSM and to abortion. But the attitudes of the "persecuted" on this thread is not turning me towards their cause, instead pushing me away. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. I've spoken about this issue in work and there are many others forced to pretend during the pride month as in reality they find it a bit disturbing to have a month of our faces being rubbed in glitter, spandex and leather.
Joeytheparrot wrote: » Yeah thats part of the problem here too. A lot of posters on here want LGBT people to listen to their viewpoints but refuse to listen to LGBT peoples viewpoints. And of course then when LGBT people feel they are being spoken at they get their heckles rised and quite dogmatic and then of course they start getting called "precious persecuted sjws" because some people cant handle that people disagree with them. And then of course this raises heckles more because of the name calling. Yeah your attitude of name calling pushes me away too. Its like you have no argument anymore so just resort to insults.
kunst nugget wrote: » You're calling people snowflakes, precious and social justice warriors. Seriously, you're never going to get anywhere when you start calling people that and then you're claiming it's the other side pushing you away. I think you're doing that all by yourself. And does a bit of rainbow bunting in your office and a couple of 'inspirational' emails really amount to a month of your face being rubbed in glitter, spandex and leather.
ELM327 wrote: » I call them the #triggered generation. Many of you on this thread are like that. Perhaps you should all head back to your little echo chamber lgbt forum.
kunst nugget wrote: » I'm not gay so I wouldn't use the LGBT forum. I'm just giving my perspective as a straight person who is happy to support gay rights and went along to Pride and took the opportunity to march in the parade when given the chance - partly driven to show support after some of the stuff I read on here in the run up to it. There's a whole truckload of irony in calling other people on this thread triggered…
ohnonotgmail wrote: » There certainly is. ELM327 was so triggered by Pride that it turned him against the gays.
ELM327 wrote: » Do you think that's a helpful comment?
kunst nugget wrote: » There's a whole truckload of irony in calling other people on this thread triggered…
kunst nugget wrote: » If you're beating the crap out of someone and calling a person a fággot while doing it, how are you going to turn around and claim it's not a homophobic attack?
LLMMLL wrote: » think there are some clear differences between your experiences in China and a gay persons experiences in Ireland that would produce different experiences, even if you both were chased or beaten.
Well the three main ways in general would be PDAs/holding hands, perceived campness, or overhearing the conversation as they walk past.
I would say I’m just as aware as you are of how boys and men’s minds work.
I don’t see any reason to believe that random attackers of straight people tend to use homophobic language. I know people who have been gay bashed while being called names. I also know straight people who have been assaulted, and while I can’t say for certain their attackers didn’t use homophobic language, it’s certainly never been mentioned to me. It’s a big leap to think that because it is or was a fairly common insult among men that random assaulters use it against the straight men they are assaulting.
Rory28 wrote: » This topic was recently discussed on the LGBT forum. The question asked was the port laois attack a homophobic one or wrong place wrong time one. I am still of the opinion that attack would have happened to anyone regardless of if they were gay or straight. People from the area said the area was rough and we all know the kind of scumbags that do this. They called them f****t while kicking the sh1t out of them but it still doesn't make it a homophobic attack. They werent targeted because they were gay they were targeted because they were there.
Rory28 wrote: » On a different note. ELM327 you are a homophobe. If all it takes is a bit of decoration to push you over the line from middle ground to being against gay people then you were already passed the middle ground. You are just looking for an excuse to justify it.
Rory28 wrote: » This topic was recently discussed on the LGBT forum. The question asked was the port laois attack a homophobic one or wrong place wrong time one. I am still of the opinion that attack would have happened to anyone regardless of if they were gay or straight. People from the area said the area was rough and we all know the kind of scumbags that do this. They called them f****t while kicking the sh1t out of them but it still doesn't make it a homophobic attack. They werent targeted because they were gay they were targeted because they were there. On a different note. ELM327 you are a homophobe. If all it takes is a bit of decoration to push you over the line from middle ground to being against gay people then you were already passed the middle ground. You are just looking for an excuse to justify it.
ELM327 wrote: » I am not afraid of anyone, "phobe" as a derivative of phobia means fear
Rory28 wrote: » "homophobia noun dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people." Nothing about fear buddy.
Joeytheparrot wrote: » I dont understand this logic at all. If someone is being beaten up and during that process they are subjected to homophobic abuse then I look at the attack overall in that context. I dont separate it out and say oh well it wasnt homophobic because it wasnt planned. The logic that you dont call it a homophobic attack even though there was homophobic abuse makes no sense whatsoever. In the whole it is a homophobic attack in my view. I dont think elm327 is a homophobe, more that he cant discuss things where he has to listen to differing viewpoints. Because he gets stuck in his own argument of "I am right you are wrong" he has no argument left then and can only resort to childish name calling.
kunst nugget wrote: » If someone was beating someone up and calling them a 'Jew motherfúcker' without a clear idea if the person being attacked was Jewish, I still call that attack anti-semitic in nature rather than just 'ah, sure it's just wrong place, wrong time'. There's always going to be an element of that in any attack but targeting someone for perceived differences and vocalising those reasons while attacking them is when you stray into the realm of hate crime. I don't know why there's an issue with it from some people when it comes to the word 'fággot'.
Rory28 wrote: » In my own opinion a homophobic attack is when someone is assaulted purely for the reason of them being gay. Gay bashings or Pride parades that get attacked by nazis. Along those lines. The scumbags who attacked didn't do it because they were gay they did because they are violent thugs.
kunst nugget wrote: » Out of curiosity, was anyone else beaten to a pulp with hurleys that night?
[Deleted User] wrote: » And I'm not disputing that. What I said originally is different to what you're seeking to argue here.
Except we are talking about the experience of gmisk here, not the attack in Portlaoise, and the example provided didn't suggest any of that kind of behavior, or that he was with another gay person. Instead, the attackers were shouting fággot, and attacking him. So, how did the attackers know he was gay? Why did you, and other posters assume they knew he was gay?
LLMMLL wrote: » I don’t think it is. You said it was a fallacy that straight people couldn’t understand what gay people have been through. I’ve pointed out that very few straight people have the experience of fear of PDAs. Specifically
In relation to your Chinese example. The vast majority of Irish straight men have not experienced anything similar to your Chinese example. In addition those that have experienced are likely to have a different experience than gay people for the reasons I already stated. Irish men did not grow up in a society that denigrated irish men who go abroad and date Chinese girls.
I don’t assume they knew he was gay. I assume they thought he was gay. Because I think it’s far more likely that homophobic language is used against gay people in a random attack than straight people.
We’re the Chinese guys using homophobic insults when they attacked you?
[Deleted User] wrote: » Very few doesn't mean none. My point stands. And I never suggested that the majority of Irish men would understand, or have experiences similar to myself. The point was the exclusion of straight men from understanding... that was the fallacy.
Nope, they preferred to use the more mainstream insults directed at foreigners. Chinese insults tend to be more about biology, inbreeding and bodily functions, like being called "stupid sperm" although it doesn't translate very well into English. They have a very different approach to insults than here.
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