Eric Cartman wrote: » but we can't , removing men only spaces is their no.1 agenda.
DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: » I really don't have a problem with this as long as men are allowed to have their own private members clubs also. It's only natural that both sexes like having their own spaces.
iptba wrote: » https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/travel/would-you-pay-4-000-to-stay-on-a-women-only-island-1.3553565 Written by a lesbian feminist, so no real discussion of double standards.
professore wrote: » It is blasted 24/7 how great women are at everything. This is the mainstream. Surely if young girls today believe women can't do anything other than be a housewife they must have severe mental health issues?
iptba wrote: » https://twitter.com/lynbw/status/1014449944118398976https://twitter.com/louisemjoreilly/status/1014445666230243328https://twitter.com/Ciairin/status/1014446876555403264
I am not against women-only spaces. We still live in a white man’s world. It is important for minorities and women to have places that belong to them, where they feel safe and valued and can be themselves. But I find the trend for high-priced, women-only networking spaces nauseating, particularly as these often use feminism as a marketing device, talking about sisterhood while seeming only to care about bettering a few already wealthy women.
Pat Mustard wrote: » I read about this place before. All I could think was what's next, men only golf clubs? :pac:
Off the coast of Finland, immured in the Baltic Sea, there is a private island where men are banned and only a select few women, with suitably large bank accounts, are allowed to set foot. It is called SuperShe Island and it is the international headquarters of the SuperShe society.
I say “yet another example”, because there has been a boom in bouji spaces exclusive to women. There is the Wing, for example, a fashionable women-only co-working space and social club with locations across the US and a space in London on the way. Membership costs from€2,041 (GBP1,800) a year and there is a waiting list. Then there is the AllBright, an exclusive women-only members’ club in London that opened earlier this year and costs at least €1,105 (GBP975) to join. There is Women Fest, too, the UK’s first all-female festival, which is scheduled to take place in August. (It costs €255 (GBP225) to attend, but some of the profits will go to a tree charity, so I guess that is OK.)
Deleted User wrote: » I've never even heard of a woman refusing to sit on an all female panel. And men are expected to refuse all male ones? Most of the teacher panels/committees in my region are completely operated by women with a token priest to represent the Church schools.
We need men to say stop also Refuse to participate in all male panels Gender quotas across state broadcasting#wfesummerschool Great panel
iptba wrote: » https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/supreme-court/slopping-out-in-prisons-appeal-to-be-heard-by-supreme-court-1.3552377 They could have avoided a lot of these claims if in the 1990s they had upgraded the facilities for men rather than (or perhaps as well as) upgrading the facilities for women to the Dochas Centre.
Slopping out in prisons appeal to be heard by Supreme Court Around 1,000 other slopping out cases are on hold until this appeal is decided
tritium wrote: » Personally I’d argue that anyone who didn’t value the efforts someone had made to develop as a communicator is a bit of an idiot tbh. There seems to be this backlash against PUA on the back of its somehow manipulation and only about getting into someone’s pants (to be fair many of thenpropoenents if PUA don’t help themselves here) however the tools they use are much more useful in life than pulling in a nightclub. They’re also the tools that many of the leader figures on both sides use to get ahead every day.
In a work environment you can expect communication skills and styles to be a big part of the skills you’ll be pushed towards in performance reviews. Why would you do any different outside of work? You still need to communicate to get the things you need etc- I say this as someone who, like you spent a very long time developing my communications styles and who would be far from a natural there.
Why we don’t actually teach these skills to boys and girls in school is beyond me. Communication isn’t manipulation but if you don’t understand how communication works it’s far easier to be manipulated imho. Far better to give everyone the skills instead of just letting people stumble around until they hopefully figure bits and piece out
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » In principle i have no problem with NLP or body language etc. Making eye contact promotes liking, so does active listening and a number of things most people know about. I think those learned skills are probably in action all around us every day learned through trial and error without conscious thought. I think the real problem with PUA and speed dating or even NLP is when you see someone who is clearly running a routine or a script. They just look like grifters and it gives the whole thing a bad name. And if you could imagine someone who doesn't get social cues but they're doing some PUA routine, it's likely to look really obvious. How would you foster social responsibility in girls re the way they treat boys?
[Deleted User] wrote: » Well, seduction if naturally developed or learned simply through experience is something to be applauded. Seduction if learned is suspicious and dishonest. Don't you just love the logic? I dated a woman once who said I was the most charismatic and enjoyable person she'd ever dated... (she was a very popular woman who had remained single) after our relationship, and we became friends she found out that I'd learned to communicate more effectively through reading, seminars, etc. She believed I'd been dishonest and false. I hadn't lied about anything, my feelings had been true, etc. It didn't matter. If it had all come naturally though...
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silverharp wrote: » I'm thinking more in terms of practical relationship advice, for instance traits to look for in women, traits to avoid. There are obviously men ending up in long term relationships with bullies, narcissists etc. the men I can only guess didn't have the emotional radar to pick up these serious defects or because of the way they were raised thought the behaviour was normal. Or even things as simple as the psychology of nite clubs, while we live in a free market economy there is a whole nite club industry which makes a fair bit of green by exploiting young men. As I said in another post young men can discuss these kind of things on line now or find "big brother" type advice even if they have to sift the wheat form the chaff.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Humm. We'll it was an all boys school, with a mostly male teaching staff, male president, male principle and vice principal and male head of year and male delivering the courses never heard the term toxic masculinity until i heard men complaining about the use of the term. And it had no obvious feminist content. But hey, don't let the person with experience of how it actually happened get in the way of the narrative, 'the feminists are coming!'. It was great and it fostered a lot of confidence in how to treat women and what to expect in a relationship. What do you mean about limits in an institutional setting? It was a Catholic school so it didn't go into much detail on sexual orientation but it didn't ask about contraception. Are those the type of limits you mean?
silverharp wrote: » I'd certainly approve of something like that but in an institutional setting there would be limits. Also given how education is more or less being taken over by women where the focus is about "empowering women" I think it would clash with anything approaching "empowering men", there is a bigger chance that they will be subjected to "toxic masculinity" classes or that men should knuckle under and become male feminists, because women find the traits of male feminists very attractive
silverharp wrote: » lol, also a little hypocritical as its perfectly acceptable for women to take grooming and appearance firmly into the fakeup category. By virtue of the fact you did adapt proved you had it in you in the first place.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » That's your perspective. I have experience of propel formally passing on their wisdom and experience to us and i never considered it misogynistic. I went to a boarding school which only broke up every 3/4 weeks. So the school organised a guy to come and speak about relationships and women in general. It was like an advanced sex education course. It went into the realities of relationships, the importance of pleasure in sex and how to make sure you get to know your partner's turn ons and turn offs. Some of the chivalry stuff was a bit out dated but it was generally great and it was handled great. Surely if someone is to impart their wisdom onto younger men, the onus is on the older men to organise it.
silverharp wrote: » given that there are etiquette and finishing schools for girls, a male one would be hilarious. Its gets to the conundrum of the implied situation that boys should either make it or break on their own initiative or that passing on the wisdom of ages would be considered mysogonistic if boys were given the opportunity to see behind the curtain as it were.
Deleted User wrote: » Well, seduction if naturally developed or learned simply through experience is something to be applauded. Seduction if learned is suspicious and dishonest. Don't you just love the logic? I dated a woman once who said I was the most charismatic and enjoyable person she'd ever dated... (she was a very popular woman who had remained single) after our relationship, and we became friends she found out that I'd learned to communicate more effectively through reading, seminars, etc. She believed I'd been dishonest and false. I hadn't lied about anything, my feelings had been true, etc. It didn't matter. If it had all come naturally though...
Deleted User wrote: » I dunno. I suspect that if i'd found a group of people I could contact through an internet forum who had similar issues to me, I'd never have learned to date/communicate effectively. There are levels of depression that go along with failing at something that everyone else around you seem to pick up naturally. I can still remember the apathy of living in Ireland and not succeeding at dating... There wasn't much else to do in small-town Ireland and everyone pretty much knew your failures in this area. Horrible times. But thank Christ for Ross Jeffries... haha. Saved me from all that bitterness.
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