silverharp wrote: » Where I work we would for sure watch our conversations more if there are female colleagues around, and always make sure there are open doors etc. By exception you can figure out who to trust more but thems the times
One eyed Jack wrote: » I would, and I have done, numerous times on this site.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Hopefully that's an end to it now and we finally get the fcuker on CBB once and for all. Two different serieses he was all set to be on but an allegation came up. Don't think he'll ever be given a presenting job on mainstream TV again but would be nice to see him back on our screens presenting at some level someday. Always seemed like a likable enough chap.
razorblunt wrote: » He's not. He's his own worst enemy, always hanging out in bars trying to look flash but failing. The places in Edinburgh he frequents says it all about him, the Coppers of the Burgh.
BattleCorp wrote: » I'd say no TV organisation would touch him with a barge pole ( ahem......with consent of course ) at this stage.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Surely if he was trying to look flash he'd be hanging out in the Lillie's of the Burgh.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Well, you were as wrong then as you are now, so, as of course women aren't being paranoid by being vigilant around strange men at night.
One eyed Jack wrote: » You ask me why shouldn't women be afraid of something that contrary to your opinion is unlikely ever to happen to them, and I'll tell you that's exactly why they shouldn't be afraid of something that is unlikely ever to happen to them. I'm absolutely not trying to shut you up at all, I'm simply pointing out to you that when you're more attuned to something, you can tend to think it's more likely to happen to you than it is in reality. The Chicken Licken effect I call it. Others more formally call it Moral panic: Quote: A moral panic is a feeling of fear spread among a large number of people that some evil threatens the well-being of society. A Dictionary of Sociology defines a moral panic as "the process of arousing social concern over an issue – usually the work of moral entrepreneurs and the mass media". If you pick up a newspaper and you're drawn to headlines which catch your attention, to the extent that you ignore the rest of the newspaper, then all you're doing is reinforcing your already held belief that an issue is more prevalent in society than it actually is in reality. Unsatisfied with the fact that most women aren't living in fear of their lives daily, you have to try and generate something for them to be fearful of. It doesn't work, and the reason it doesn't work is because the potential likelihood of it ever happening is so unlikely as to be hardly worth considering. That's why when it does happen to a woman, their reaction is often one of confusion and shock. Because they didn't expect it would ever happen to them, and why would they, when it's actually as rare in Irish society as it is.
razorblunt wrote: » That's exactly my point. He can't get near those high end places.
razorblunt wrote: » His brother is a radio presenter on one of the local stations, I don't think he even managed to get him a foot in the door there.
Leslie lost his job as a DJ on the Bauer Media radio network following the latest allegation. The former presenter said the experience had “cast a shadow” over his life and likely ended his broadcasting future. He said: “I’m almost kissing goodbye to my career as a TV or radio presenter. I don’t think that door is open to me anymore. “A lot of damage has been done even though I’m 100 per cent innocent. “If you work in the media and you bring that to the doorstep then there’s got to be a price to pay.” Now Leslie wants to spearhead the fight to keep those accused of sexual crimes anonymous before they’re charged. He said: “I’ve found myself doing this, more by accident than design. But if this is what I’m here to do, I’m all for it. “A sexual assault is a horrible thing to be accused of. It affects your friends, family, everything around you. “If I have to be a flagbearer for this then I’ll do it. “I’m slightly worried it won’t pay the bills, but I’ll certainly do what I can. “I fully believe if someone has been attacked they have to be believed and have anonymity. “But I think that basic principle has to be afforded to the accused. “Your life is destroyed before you’re charged. “If and when you’re charged, there’s more veracity to the complaint and that’s when your name should be released.” Leslie said he’d been in touch with his MSP Jim Eadie and hoped to meet him to discuss his campaign. He said: “I want to see what consideration the Scottish Government might give to the matter. “And if doesn’t work I’ll go down to the House of Parliament. “There’s not many people in the public eye willing to put their voice to this.” In 2002 TV star Ulrika Jonsson claimed in her autobiography she had been raped by an ‘acquaintance’ and Leslie’s name was linked to this by presenter Matthew Wright live on his show. In 2003, Leslie was accused then cleared of indecently assaulting a 23-year-old actress in 1997.
Conservatory wrote: » He went for it she said no chance bucko. It’s not like he ran out from under a park bench and pulled at her hoop. He misread a few signals.Every teenage boy in the country has tried to put his hands down a girls trousers only for her to grab the hand and put it somewhere less fun. Should we lock them all up?
kylith wrote: » Here's an idea: check if it's ok before putting your hand down someone's underwear.
She said she thought he was being "protective" and suggested they dance together.
JupiterKid wrote: » From his time presenting Blue Peter in the early 90s I always thought he was gay...
professore wrote: » Here's another idea - maybe don't invite a complete stranger to dance with you when dressed in a slutty outfit a couple of days before getting married ... She is not even sure he touched her ass FFS ... maybe it was one of her friends???? The DNA even seems to confirm this. Total publicity stunt. Nothing to gain??? Maybe save your marriage???
kylith wrote: So it's her fault because of what she was wearing? And dancing is an invitation to sexual assault now?
eagle eye wrote: » kylith wrote: So it's her fault because of what she was wearing? And dancing is an invitation to sexual assault now? The man was acquitted.
kylith wrote: » Not acquitted: the case was ‘not proven’. And speaking generally, what of Prof’s statement? And what of my reply to it? If a woman consents to dance with a man, is it ok for him to grope her? If he thinks she’s dressed ‘slutty’?
kylith wrote: Not acquitted: the case was ‘not proven’.
Sweetemotion wrote: » kylith wrote: » Not acquitted: the case was ‘not proven’. And speaking generally, what of Prof’s statement? And what of my reply to it? If a woman consents to dance with a man, is it ok for him to grope her? If he thinks she’s dressed ‘slutty’? Off course not and the cctv proved that didn't happen. Do you think it was fair for this case to go to court?
eagle eye wrote: » kylith wrote: Not acquitted: the case was ‘not proven’. That means he was acquitted.
kylith wrote: » Do you think that a woman who believes she has been assaulted shouldn’t report it?
Sweetemotion wrote: » Off course she should report it but just because she is a woman shouldn't mean it should be automatically believed as we have found out from the evidence of an unbiased video.
One eyed Jack wrote: » We didn't find anything out from any video, unbiased or otherwise. The defence simply put it to the witness that the CCTV footage contradicted her version of events. The witness replied that's not how she sees it. Both are simply statements, that don't either prove or disprove anything either way. The defence could just as easily have said "I put it to you that the sky is red", and received the same reply. It's the job of the defence to present an alternative interpretation of the evidence in order to create reasonable doubt, and it should go without saying that would include witness testimony and indeed CCTV footage that none of us here have actually seen to be able to comment on.
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://wb.vanillicon.com/v2/bed6f1d088326d5eb21c0139847332c7.svg)
