dfx- wrote: » if Ryanair have, everyone will. Mass exoduses of staff because of working conditions and pay plus their own staff shortages, couldn't possibly happen to GA/NTA..
Stephen15 wrote: » No mention of Garda vetting for drivers either. They will attract good and bad drivers.
Stephen15 wrote: » The workers are just looking out for their own benefits ie. they want more money for various different things. At the end of the day who isn't, if your union could get you more money would you say thanks but no thanks. We all have our own interests at heart first no matter how generous you like to think you are.
brokenarms wrote: » They are training their drivers today in this. Absolute joke of a company. I would ask any who thinks its completely inappropriate, to let the NTA know.
Creative83 wrote: » Not trying to be funny but 32k is probably what the occupation commands... "Try live in Dublin on that" Well boohoo, move outside of Dublin or upskill!!
Stephen15 wrote: » That's a great attitude to have telling skilled professional bus drivers to go and upskill and who's going to drive the bus you take if every bus driver took your attitude.
Fizzy Duck wrote: » Its awaiting repaint. Bus is perfectly fine and was recently handed over by db. Once the other bus comes back from repaint that will be used also.
devnull wrote: » Public services are supposed to be run for the public and not for the benefit of the staff though at the end of the day. In the private sector if you keep going out on strike, you go out of business. The only reason it happens in Dublin Bus because they have a captive customer base who can't use a competitor.
Creative83 wrote: » The people who don't mind driving a bus for 32k perhaps?? And they won't mind doing it at all
devnull wrote: » Are they planning to repaint that one when the other one is back?
Xterminator wrote: » You missed my point i am not anti union.
Xterminator wrote: » i am against the incumbent semi state organisations
Xterminator wrote: » where the overly powerful unions can used their power to hold up the training of new recruits, where they can deliberately involve Bus Eireann/Irish Rail staff in dublin bus strikes to maximise disruption to customers. where they can demand extra payments to drive longer trains where they can refuse to implement rosters agreed in the labour court/ arbitration etc
Xterminator wrote: » i don't see a problem if new bus drivers are paid the going rate.
Xterminator wrote: » my point was the organisations are leaner, have less overheads and are more customer oriented.
devnull wrote: » Well from everything I've seen so far that has been publicly stated by Go-Ahead it appears that there will not be the kind of seniority system that discriminates heavily in Dublin Bus against new starters which is for sure a key driver of attrition among recent entrants in Dublin Bus. So the prospect of fair rosters and workplace practices, where everyone has to do their fair share of the not so nice shifts, which do not heavily discriminate against new entrants might well be something that is attractive to potential staff as opposed to a system in the CIE companies which is heavily stacked in favour of senior staff and against newcomers who keep leaving as a consequence.
Stephen15 wrote: » Creative83 wrote: » Not trying to be funny but 32k is probably what the occupation commands... "Try live in Dublin on that" Well boohoo, move outside of Dublin or upskill!! That's a great attitude to have telling skilled professional bus drivers to go and upskill and who's going to drive the bus you take if every bus driver took your attitude.
Creative83 wrote: » Not trying to be funny but 32k is probably what the occupation commands...
Creative83 wrote: » "Try live in Dublin on that" Well boohoo, move outside of Dublin or upskill!!
ted1 wrote: » Hang on I think your misusing the term “skilled professional “
Stephen15 wrote: » So what if Go-Ahead go on strike. Passengers going from Dundrum to Dun Laoghaire won't be able to use any competitive service as the 75 isin't running and DB services won't be able to get them where they need to go as their services will be useless to them.
dublinbuster wrote: » Read the reviews , the shifts look to be every bit as bad as DB, so why would anyone do the same job for substantially less money?https://www.indeed.co.uk/cmp/Go-Ahea...s?fcountry=ALLhttps://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Reviews/...iews-E8910.htm
dublinman1990 wrote: » Now these possible scenarios that I'm making in this post are all works of fiction. But these scenarios could become real if some unfortunate event happens unexpectedly at the last minute before transport companies begin work for the day in this leafy part of Dublin's southside.
dublinbuster wrote: What we know as fact Wages up to 32k, DB start at 32k .BE/Aircoach pay better wages. Why do same job for less money? Depot in arse end of nowhere, DB depots easy to get to, except Harristown How will drivers get to and from Bray/Dun Laoghaire? This is a BIG deal! Will accept 6 penalty points, will train drivers from scratch = having problems attracting staff Reviews from Go ahead workers in links posted above, tell shifts just as bad if not worse than DB. BE hiring right now, DB in August, how many will use GO Ahead to train them up and then go to DB/BE? More money for same job, who would not move? If dole sent people to Go Ahead, it will be same as DB, eventually DB told dole dont bother sending people to us, they dont want job, turn up only to mess up on purpose.
Contrails wrote: » Doesn't really matter whether they do or don't. Employees have a right to unionize and should they decide to take action in great enough numbers, they'll be fairly quick to get "recognised".
dfx- wrote: » if Ryanair have, everyone will.
brokenarms wrote: » It looks like a wreck that DB would never put into service , even for learning.
brokenarms wrote: » I was under the impression that it was a legal requirement for a bus to have its owners name and address on the side, as well as weight and other info, like master cut off and emergency exit.
Stephen15 wrote: » Go-Ahead should have bought up a few older second-hand buses to train up drivers on rather than use newish NTA owned GTs. Most operators including DB use old buses that are no longer fit for passenger service for driver training. Also are learner buses not fitted with dual control for the instructor?
dublinbuster wrote: » Some very interesting reviews on working for Go Ahead Would appear shifts are WORSE than DB, so there goes the main hope of the DB marked in system hatershttps://www.indeed.co.uk/cmp/Go-Ahead/reviews?fcountry=ALLhttps://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Reviews/Go-Ahead-Group-Reviews-E8910.htm
GM228 wrote: » Once there's a manufacturers plate somewhere on the bus it is legal, the issue isn't missing names or weights etc, it's the lack of something else which I'm surprised has not been mentioned and IS illegal. Should they, have DB, BE etc ever bought new training buses, no, they use old buses which they already owned, no they don't have dual controls.
Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: » The social have already sent hundreds of claimants to Dublin bus since 2014 and more recently bus Eireann and speaking from experience this is exactly what already happened
GM228 wrote: » A right to unionize and a right of recognition are two different things.
Stephen15 wrote: » dublinbuster wrote: What we know as fact Wages up to 32k, DB start at 32k .BE/Aircoach pay better wages. Why do same job for less money? Depot in arse end of nowhere, DB depots easy to get to, except Harristown How will drivers get to and from Bray/Dun Laoghaire? This is a BIG deal! Will accept 6 penalty points, will train drivers from scratch = having problems attracting staff Reviews from Go ahead workers in links posted above, tell shifts just as bad if not worse than DB. BE hiring right now, DB in August, how many will use GO Ahead to train them up and then go to DB/BE? More money for same job, who would not move? If dole sent people to Go Ahead, it will be same as DB, eventually DB told dole dont bother sending people to us, they dont want job, turn up only to mess up on purpose. I wouldn't go as far as to say that the GA depot is in the arse end of nowhere. It's on the M50 so it wouldn't be too hard for drivers to get to and from by car obviously more difficult to get by bus or bike compared to DB depots. A lot of the DB depots are in traffic blackspots such as Phibsboro, Conyham Road and Ringsend. There were plans for a outstation for GA in the old ferry terminal in DL with parking for 20 buses which would serve all DL routes aswell as Bray and Blackrock routes. However I believe this plan was refused. Hopefully they will have outstations on the Southside and the Northside.
markodaly wrote: » That skilled professional is looking at about 10 years left in their profession as it is, maybe 15 but the self-driving technology is a big locomotive that is rolling down that mountain very fast. People entering the profession now in their 20's are never going to be there in their 60's come retirement age. They will get 20 years out of it, if they are very lucky.
soundman45 wrote: » Good ahead will have main depot in ballymount where drivers based there will start/break/finish their duties. They will have an on site gym and canteen in a brand new purpose built depot. Free parking and easy access for anyone living on southside, north wicklow and kildare even. There will be a sub depot northside in swords and South side in dunlaoire. Drivers will work a roster with a mix of 6 routes on it marked in from the day they start with holidays rostered off as per db and be system. Where is the great conditions created by dublin bus for employees? New driver spare for years working every weekend etc. Bus eireann have a fair system where you get marked in very quickly. Aircoach give you a weekly roster every Thursday when new with a fair mix of early/late duties. I don't see the attraction of dublin bus for new drivers to be honest I'd rather have a few quid less and have a fair work roster
Stephen15 wrote: » Most DB spares are on a 4 day with shift work which tbh doesn't sound that awful. It's well and good to say I'd rather have less money for better working conditions but that logic only really applies when your single but when you a family to support it's a whole different ball game. No point on being able to use a free gym when you have to go home to mind your children when you can do the same for more money without benefits in kind which are useless to you. No point on going all the way back to the depot to take your when you'd spend most of your break travelling back there why would a driver waste their break travelling all the way from DL or Bray to Ballymount likely sitting in traffic for most of it when they can take it DL or Bray. With legal breaks for professional drivers that would believe it or not likely create less efficient working practices than DB, the thought of it. There is no evidence at present that GA will have better rosters than DB.
brokenarms wrote: » The 4 day roaster is by far the best for a spare man. Suits family men that does not live to go out to the pub every Saturday. Its basically like being marked in. You know what time you are going to start and finish each day. This back fired on the unions I think as they insisting spare 4 day men dont get reliefs or early duties. A four day man will (should) never get a bogey shift either. The problem they created is that the spare lads who go onto the 5 day, 10 week roaster will get hammered with the worst duties. Arrive at work at 9 and leave a 9 sort of thing. Why? Because the unions insisted the 4 day lads get nothing but lates. So they get priority. Some garages have spare man rotas that make it a bit better, but its nothing to write home about. The problem I see for staff retention, is the spare 5 day man is treated like dirt. Doing literally 1/4 more work than the marked in lad. Which is highly demoralising. Picking up of a marked in driver who has a week of 5 hour shifts and you go on to do a 8.5 hour day with a 2 hour break in between. you can be at work 12 hours and get paid less than the senior man doing the same job , working half the hours. Its a joke shop that way. Protected by the unions. Takes at least 11 years to go onto the junior marked in system. (which is still pants TBH) The marking in system is crap IMO. And I would feel the same even if I was marked in, as its highly unfair to guys who are in the first decade of work. If Go ahead can avoid this, they will make DB look like dinosaurs.
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