Shurimgreat wrote: » Evil, what I am saying is the UK services while not perfect are among the best in the world. Even still they have flaws. But they have the experience. Experience is critical in medicine, we all know that from recent scandals. Oversight is also critical. Hope and optimism is not enough. You need very well trained medical professionals. GPs are great but again for complicated procedures around abortion, you need trained experts, not only obgyns, but nurses and the like. People's lives will be at risk. These are valid concerns which I think most people would agree on apart from the "Happy Clappy, isn't it great we are getting abortion?" brigade. If you are going to have abortion here at least attempt to do it right, otherwise we will be looking at the next big scandal, with Harris and Varakar stonewalling and saying "nothing to do with us".
Shadowstrife wrote: » I want to ask if anyone has heard anti-Donegal sentiment, sniggering,snobbery or cheap jokes since the result. Please elaborate, thanks!
DubInMeath wrote: » Still waiting on you to provide links to the scientific data, to back up your opinion that the laws regarding access to abortion are routinely broken.
Shurimgreat wrote: » I provided you with the stats for Ground C in the UK from a pro abortion website. Not my problem if you cannot process them and refuse to believe them. Calling for "Scientific Data" is meaningless guff. The facts were provided to you. You ignored them and started looking for something else instead. To save you, me and the other posters on this thread from your repetitive posts, I am going to do us all a favour. Guess where you are heading My ignore list Goodbye.
ELM327 wrote: » Oh No. Not your ignore list, Guys I'm so threatened. We should all go back and vote no.
Fighting Tao wrote: » Repetition achieves nothing. Your arguments have been countered and you are giving the same spiel again to a post that didn't try to counter your argument.
Shurimgreat wrote: » Is that seriously the best you can come up with? What repetition? I started talking about how we have no experience in the provision of mass abortion in Ireland, a topic no-one really has brought up. The Yes side need to do better and be more imaginative than the default "I don't care, you lost, we won" nonsense. That approach truly is staid and repetitive at this stage.
Fighting Tao wrote: » I countered all of your points. You just repeated yourself again and again, and then you ask me if that's all I can come up with?
Shurimgreat wrote: » I guess repetition has become a large part of this thread if that is the case. You didn't really counter my points to be fair and not in any great detail, just some vague "it will be grand" responses. I will repeat the points not for the sake of repetition but more to make people aware what they are in for. If they want to stick their fingers in their ears and pretend its not real fair enough. We have NO EXPERIENCE in the mass provision of abortion services and particularly in the provision of complicated abortion services. An entire abortion infrastructure will need to be set up. It will take years to get right. So enough of the Happy Clappy, it will be alright, aren't we great, nonsense. And I don't think you could ask for two worst politicians than Harris and Varadkar to lead this. We have seen their approach to accountability and openness recently. Varadkar wasn't even aware of the Cervical Smear scandal when he was minister for Health. So much for being on top of your brief.
Shurimgreat wrote: » Yes...the dreaded ignore list.
DubInMeath wrote: » Given all the angry posts from the no side about repeal shield before the vote, I just find it funny.
Cupcake_Crisis wrote: » I’m sure he’s devastated. You seem to have conveniently ignored where I informed you that medical staff already train in abortion services. Not to mention the medical staff who would have worked abroad gained experience there. Also not to mention the many foreign doctors and nurses working in our hospitals who come from countries where abortions are routinely performed. By all means carry on cherry picking which information you want to address.
Shurimgreat wrote: » I guess repetition has become a large part of this thread if that is the case. You didn't really counter my points to be fair and not in any great detail, just some vague "it will be grand" responses. I will repeat the points not for the sake of repetition but more to make people aware what they are in for. If they want to stick their fingers in their ears and pretend its not real fair enough. We have NO EXPERIENCE in the mass provision of abortion services and particularly in the provision of complicated abortion services. An entire abortion infrastructure will need to be set up. It will take years to get right. So enough of the Happy Clappy, it will be alright, aren't we great, nonsense. And I don't think you could ask for two worse or more incompetent politicians than Harris and Varadkar to lead this. We have seen their approach to accountability and openness recently. Varadkar wasn't even aware of the Cervical Smear scandal when he was minister for Health. So much for being on top of your brief.
Shadowstrife wrote: » Re: Donegal - We TogetherForYes-ers put in a titantic effort for Repeal up here in the hills. A few reasons why Donegal voted No by a very tiny margin. Our TogetherforYes members were assaulted in Letterkenny on Saturday night; threatened with serious bodily harm on several occasions. I was thumped and abused verbally on local streets. Those blows don't hurt me. But the redrawing of constituencies in Donegal dealt us a huge blow. Our Ballyshannon & Bundoran votes had been gobbled up by our neighbour counties. Also, emigrant youth. People in my age group. All are abroad, or down south in cities. They marked 'X' in the Yes box there, but are Donegal to their core.
Fighting Tao wrote: » He has disengaged, is unable to discuss at a basic level, and ignored every response. This has resulted in him cutting and pasting his post again. Even resorting to telling us that we are the ones with our fingers in our ears. Totally confusing.
Shurimgreat wrote: » FFS grow up. I responded to Cupcake.
Graces7 wrote: » This was about abortion not RCC. About babies not about scoring points.
Graces7 wrote: » No they did not! Read posts here. Churches and folk of faith have every right and need to oppose abortion. Democracy allows that. And a third of the population is a sizaeble NO!
Graces7 wrote: » Not quite sure of the nuances of your words? In the Didache, 1st century Christian teaching, abortion is forbidden, BUT it is not an exclusively religious common sense ideal of course. Simple humanity and respect for life.
Fighting Tao wrote: » Chill out and stop with the personal attacks. You have been repeating and expecting everyone to respond each time differently.
Shadowstrife wrote: » Re: Donegal - We TogetherForYes-ers put in a titantic effort for Repeal up here in the hills. ....................... .
Shurimgreat wrote: » This post had numerous thanks at lunchtime. I look again and they are all gone. Odd.
Shurimgreat wrote: » ........ I think you will agree that just as no two pregnancies are the same, no two abortion scenarios are the same re the mother or the baby. The mother may have a medical condition such as diabetes, high blood pressure, or others. Taking two pills may not be the answer and it becomes a case of surgery. .,............. Some women if they do take the two pills will react differently to others. .............. There is the prescribing of medicines afterwards. There are I think you will agree numerous different scenarios at play, often complex ones. .
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