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Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

Ozymandius2011

This is for people who have already voted in the referendum. How did you vote? I voted yes.

Mod: This thread is little more than a survey about how you voted. Please don't the ins and outs of abortion.

Mod: This is not a reiteration of the previous 8th threads. If you were threadbanned from those, you are not threadbanned here.

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kunst nugget

ELM327 wrote: »

If it was against the rules they wouldn't have been on the electoral register and thus would have been ineligible to vote.

Seriously?

Trasna1

ELM327 wrote: »

If it was against the rules they wouldn't have been on the electoral register and thus would have been ineligible to vote.

They were on the register from a time when they used to live here but their eligibility has lapsed. My brother is still on the register and he emigrated 15 years ago. He is not eligible.

Timberrrrrrrr

Trasna1 wrote: »

What were the reasons for coming back then? Just a selfish desire to be part of something, regardless of the rules.

I came back and voted because I have 2 daughters who live in Ireland and I want them to have the freedom to make thier own choices should any misfortune fall upon them.

ELM327

kunst nugget wrote: »

Seriously?

No, I'm actually Jimmy Carr.
Hah-Haaaaah.

Trasna1

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I came back and voted because I have 2 daughters who live in Ireland and I want them to have the freedom to make thier own choices should any misfortune fall upon them.

Illegally.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Lots of emigrants received voting cards even though the 18 month time limit had lapsed. Any of those who went ahead and voted, did so illegally.

ELM327

Trasna1 wrote: »

They were on the register from a time when they used to live here but their eligibility has lapsed. My brother is still on the register and he emigrated 15 years ago. He is not eligible.

I hope you reported him for electoral fraud so.
If he is ineligible he should have informed the relevant council

ELM327

The whack of sour grapes on this thread from some posters is ridiculous.

Timberrrrrrrr

Trasna1 wrote: »

Illegally.

So sue me.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

ELM327 wrote: »

I hope you reported him for electoral fraud so.
If he is ineligible he should have informed the relevant council

How is it electoral fraud if he didn't vote?

c68zapdsm5i1ru

ELM327 wrote: »

The whack of sour grapes on this thread from some posters is ridiculous.

The notion from some that anyone who voted No has now got no right to an opinion is ludicrous. We lost this referendum, we didn't lose our right to free speech.

ohnonotgmail

Trasna1 wrote: »

Well why did they vote?
They wanted to be part of it
They knew it was against the rules

So they were willing to endanger the result (had it been close) for their own gratification

I already responded to this and you replied quoting it so i dont see how you are confused

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Or perhaps because it is an issue that they feel really strongly about?

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So sue me.

You're not worth the bother.

ELM327

Mavis Some Insignia wrote: »

How is it electoral fraud if he didn't vote?

He's still listed as on the register.
If he's not eligible to vote he should have informed the council.

ELM327

Mavis Some Insignia wrote: »

You're not worth the bother.

Zing.

Seriously, put down the phone, your desperation is showing

c68zapdsm5i1ru

ELM327 wrote: »

He's still listed as on the register.
If he's not eligible to vote he should have informed the council.

I presume there's lots of people still on the register who don't even know they're still listed. Are they behaving illegally as well?

Timberrrrrrrr

Mavis Some Insignia wrote: »

You're not worth the bother.

So why are you so upset then? :pac:

c68zapdsm5i1ru

ELM327 wrote: »

Zing.

Seriously, put down the phone, your desperation is showing

What desperation?

kunst nugget

ELM327 wrote: »

The whack of sour grapes on this thread from some posters is ridiculous.

The people posting about the questionable eligibility of some people coming home to vote, no matter how noble their intentions, are correct in what they are saying.

Thankfully, the yes result was empathetic or it could have created a sticky situation if we were looking at a result like the divorce referendum. Between this and the marriage equality referendum, I think we need to reform the electoral process and look at maybe giving a postal vote for ex-pats who want to be involved in voting in the country of their birth.

ohnonotgmail

Mavis Some Insignia wrote: »

The notion from some that anyone who voted No has now got no right to an opinion is ludicrous. We lost this referendum, we didn't lose our right to free speech.

nobody is stopping you from saying anything. In the same vein there is nothing stopping us mocking the same nonsense that didnt fool the electorate. Your opinions are not precious. They are open to ridicule.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So why are you so upset then? :pac:

Why do you think I'm upset?

c68zapdsm5i1ru

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

nobody is stopping you from saying anything. In the same vein there is nothing stopping us mocking the same nonsense that didnt fool the electorate. Your opinions are not precious. They are open to ridicule.

What opinions?

Trasna1

ELM327 wrote: »

I hope you reported him for electoral fraud so.
If he is ineligible he should have informed the relevant council

He didn't vote.

Timberrrrrrrr

Mavis Some Insignia wrote: »

Why do you think I'm upset?

Forget it

You're not worth the bother.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Forget it

You're not worth the bother.

Nicely evaded.

robarmstrong

Mavis Some Insignia wrote: »

The notion from some that anyone who voted No has now got no right to an opinion is ludicrous. We lost this referendum, we didn't lose our right to free speech.

You're absolutely entitled to an opinion.

You are absolutely not entitled to come onto a thread and whine incessantly over menial things, NO was beaten soundly, by a landslide, despite all the lies and horrific things the campaign came out with.

Accept it, move on. It's absolutely pointless coming on nitpicking at things, to use a football analogy - NO United were beaten 2:1 despite all the attempts at foul play, yet their "fans" come on and complain that some of the players of the opposition team shouldn't have been there because ah sure they don't live there. It is an absolute trivial thing to be getting riled up over it.

ohnonotgmail

Mavis Some Insignia wrote: »

What opinions?

pretty much all of yours.

Billy86

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

As I have said in my original post in this thread I have suffered my far share of physical pain and I got over it.

So because you injured yourself at some point before, women should have to go through unwanted pregnancies, including in circumstances like incest and rape?

Like I said, it's not a good look nor something to try and claim the moral high ground over, as you are.

By voting no I thought I was contributing to the greater good - I don't really know what else you expect me to do as a voter.

What happened to it being because you didn't like a yes campaigner? As you said "I was veering slightly towards yes (savita case in particular), when a conversation with a yes campaigner(at the door) made me a definite no!"

However assuming that you were indeed voting no before having a disagreement with someone, what is this greater good? Forcing women to go through pregnancies they do not want and that could quite often be dangerous for them, while contributing absolutely nothing back in return or in terms of assistance? It's just offering others up for sacrifice and trying to claim some kind of credit for it.

As I said before are you going to help perform abortions because you voted yes?

If I volunteered myself to a doctor who performs abortions, I would be told no as I have no qualifications; you know this.

However, I do work with disadvantaged and at-risk children in my job and outside of it. Every day I see the results of these unwanted pregnancies. Parents with drug problems (often developed during unwanted pregnancies, as heroin seems to kill the pain of carrying your rapists' offspring), children left neglected and born with huge disabilities causing them to become suicidal except for the fact that they are too physically incapacitated to do it themselves. Imagine spending every minute of your life just hoping you were dead, but not even being able to kill yourself.

I see the children shunted from foster home to foster home, creating massive mental health issues early in their lives about why nobody wants them. I see the children sent into residential group homes. I see these children written off from before they're old enough to ride a bicycle as "the scum of the earth" despite having done nothing but be born into horrendous circumstances. I see these children progress to Oberstown. I see these kids move on from Oberstown to a life of homelessness, addiction, crime and prison. Just the other week I got to see my first 'full cycle' case, where a kid we had in care has now given birth to another child who will inevitably wind up in care... and it's a suspected rape baby from a family friend. Just nine months of a few little pains though, right? Sure she's all of 15 years old, she'll barely even remember the whole thing by the end of the summer.

That newborn child is almost surely not getting adopted by the way, especially when there is such a shortage of adoptive and foster parents that the odds were heavily against them from the moment they were born. They'll get bounced around from one group home to another, back to mammy, back away from mammy, with the grandparents, back to strangers, and so on and so on... and somewhere in the early 2030's it's extremely likely they'll be having a child of their own to add to the mix. We did a fostering drive about two months ago across much of the south Dublin area, trying to get more people involved in fostering. Do you know how many people got back? Six. Six people got back.

Yet you seem not only fine for that to be the case, but to also try and consider yourself virtuous for looking to keep that in place, because not only did you injure yourself before, but you also didn't like someone who called to your door. I would advise you to put a bit more thought in, in future.

You know what I don't see? No campaigners trying to offer assistance, nor will from almost any no voters so eagerly virtue signalling about 'the greater good' to give any help whatsoever. A lot of companies do offer assistance, from the ones specifically there to help these children, to others that quietly offer funding, facilities or supports and ask for no thanks for it. Yet the likes of Iona or LoveBoth? We never heard a peep from them that I am aware of. It would have been a great PR move for them to do during the campaign, but I can tell you if they did we certainly didn't hear a thing from it here - and we work in child protection. Maybe now that the campaign is over they will focus their efforts into assisting parents and children in these situations, but let's be real here - we all know that is extremely unlikely at best.

These are often the people that cannot get to the UK for abortions because they cannot afford to, or are underage hiding the likes of rape babies from their families and being terrified for every moment of it as to what to do. Many of them don't have a clue about the pills at all, as they often barely attended school if at all as children and are often barely literate (again, if at all). By voting yes so overwhelmingly as a nation, we have now hopefully given these women and children and actual avenue out to assist with. Yet you not only voted to not allow them this opportunity, but added to that are not bothered anything in return, and are somehow trying to claim a "greater good" from this? It beggars belief, to be honest.

If you want to contribute to there being more disadvantaged, neglected, unwanted and abused children in the world you could at least do something to help them. You do not need to be highly qualified to assist in these areas, or to be qualified at all depending on how you wish to contribute. I would strongly encourage you to put your money where your mouth is about creating a greater good in this country.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

robarmstrong wrote: »

You're absolutely entitled to an opinion.

You are absolutely not entitled to come onto a thread and whine incessantly over menial things, NO was beaten soundly, by a landslide, despite all the lies and horrific things the campaign came out with.

Accept it, move on. It's absolutely pointless coming on nitpicking at things, to use a football analogy - NO United were beaten 2:1 despite all the attempts at foul play, yet their "fans" come on and complain that some of the players of the opposition team shouldn't have been there because ah sure they don't live there. It is an absolute trivial thing to be getting riled up over it.

I have not been 'whining incessantly over menial things'. I have joined in an existing discussion on illegal voting. That is a valid discussion and if you don't like it, tough.

robarmstrong

Mavis Some Insignia wrote: »

I have not been 'whining incessantly over menial things'. I have joined in an existing discussion on illegal voting. That is a valid discussion and if you don't like it, tough.

YES won, NO didn't, that is a valid result and if you don't like it, tough.

Wow!

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