Loafing Oaf wrote: » Well the leadership of the anti-divorce movement didn't 'go away' after the 1995 referendum, and they presumably retained their beliefs, but AFAIK any real-world activism in that cause ceased entirely. I remember Dr. Gerard Casey saying they would regroup and agitate for another referendum but he didn't sound like he believed a word of it... It is notable that very few of the pro-lifers declaring the fight will continue are giving any indication what form this 'fightback' will take. This Breda O'Brien article literally contains no more information about it than what is in the headline. Breda O’Brien: Anti-abortion movement has not given up and will not disappear https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/breda-o-brien-anti-abortion-movement-has-not-given-up-and-will-not-disappear-1.3510365
tigger123 wrote: » I read that article yesterday; it's basically for the religious Right and encouraged them not to lose heart after their defeat. She's speaking to their base supporters.
Shurimgreat wrote: » Spook, if you don't like what I'm saying put me on ignore. Its a public forum where free speech is allowed. Tell you what so we don't have to listen to each other's views any more, let me go first and add you to ignore
martingriff wrote: » While agree that the Yes was overwhelming behaviour polls by RTE and other have shown people voted yes as it was a yes or no question however if was between repeal just for FAA rape incest metal health or repeal on all and the 12 weeks the majority of the yes and some of the no votes would have overwhelming gone for no 12 weeks. So I can see the 12 might be reduced to 10 or 9 as a possibility not likely but a pissibility
mach1982 wrote: » You know what really pissing me off ? The gloating of some of the yes side and the abuse that the people who stood up and fronted the No campaign are getting. If the NO side won and they behaved like the yes is they would be calling discrimination and bulling and running to their safe places . Alot of people who voted No had valid reason, unlike some who voted only to give 2 fingers to church, if the church was in favor of repeal then they would have vote to retain. Just because they believe a humans life begin at contraception, there option is as valid as yours or mine doesn't it mean it is wrong only it's a difference of opinion . Dog and Cats don't have any rights but when one dies people mourn them like there were a family member. So stop acting so high and might I though this was a liberal society were everyones opinions matter. Is liberalism just morph in to in a differ type of conservationism, like the pigs morphing into the men in Animal farm.
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mach1982 wrote: » You only have to look at twitter.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » Breda O’Brien: Anti-abortion movement has not given up and will not disappear
ohnonotgmail wrote: » not even one example of either? we dont all follow the same accounts on twitter.
Zubeneschamali wrote: » I'm sure Breda will not disappear, and David Quinn, and Ronan Mullen. They have actual jobs pushing the Bishop's line on everything at the Iona "Institute", and wil be there to defend blasphemy laws, God in the Constitution etc. etc. forever. But the thousands of marchers and protestors, the hundreds of thousands of No voters - this is the last we will hear of them. There will be a protest outside the Dáil when abortion legislation is being passed later this year. It will be 50-100 hardcore religious types saying the Rosary and waving BVM pics and gory photos.
Shurimgreat wrote: » Tell you what so we don't have to listen to each other's views any more, let me go first and add you to ignore
Shurimgreat wrote: » FFS! Its like banging your head off a wall trying to talk to people like you. The vast majority if not all of No voters don't hate women. They are standing up for the rights of the unborn. Nothing to do at all with hating women. To show how utterly ridiculous you sound, many many women voted against this referendum. And 50% of foetuses would one day be born as female babies if allowed to be born. If I was to take your logic I could say "why do women want to terminate female foetuses?" And in truth 50% would be. A great day for female empowerment alright, terminating healthy female foetuses. These are all complex issues but to say something like its because some No voters hate women is ridiculous and a bit childish. Liberalised abortion has led to appalling female infanticide in places like India and China with tens of millions of females missing from the population. But hey as long as adult women can abort healthy foetuses I guess that's progress and we should all just get behind it. The optics of the cheering in the last few days has been disgraceful imo.
Shurimgreat wrote: » Virtually an entire thread dedicated to bashing the Iona Institute.
Mint Sauce wrote: » So I voted yes, and even though the YES won, I find little to celebrate about to be honest, yes it does give more protection and choice to women and their heathcare providers, but I dont feel it a reason to be shouting from roof tops and dancing in the street. It was one of the most difficult choices I have made when it comes to refendum voting, quite a personal vote, one which I thought had no real winner. Before the vote, I was alsways against abortion on demand, unless it was for exceptional circumstances, and throughout the Citizens Asemably, thought to my self I would vote YES for them exceptional circumstances, and when the government proposed Abortion up to 12 weeks, that really went against my personal beleifs, and what I thought was right and wrong, and I was swinging back to a NO. But weighing it all up, girls/women not having to travel to England, or getting back street abortions here without medical support, abortion in them exceptional circumstnces, and more protection for medical staff in cases of risk of life to the mother, made me beleif that YES was the better option, despite my personal beliefs. But even the night before the vote, I was having doubts on why I was voting YES, thinking to my self, you dont agree with abortion on demand, what are you doing, and thought of all the reason again to vote YES. So it was difficult, it was a test of what I thought was right and wrong, I only winner I think is better health services and support for woman, and I am glad the campagning is all over. I am not entirely proud of my vote, but do think I would have still been more disapointed to have voted NO, and denied that choice and support to our female population.
OldNotWIse wrote: » Agree. No matter what side of the fence you're on, the partying was a bit crass and vulgar in my opinion. I am a female of child bearing age and I voted No. While I was disappointed in the result, that's to be accepted now as we live in a democracy, but I really thought the after partying was over the top. It's not like after the marriage referendum where we had genuine cause for celebration - there are no winners when it comes to abortion.
Mint Sauce wrote: » throughout the Citizens Asemably, thought to my self I would vote YES for them exceptional circumstances, and when the government proposed Abortion up to 12 weeks, that really went against my personal beleifs,
Leroy42 wrote: » What will that achieve? All it will do is annoy a large amount of people that have fought very hard for this and the view that people were very aware of what they were voting for. A no point during the campaign did the No side ever declare that 12 weeks was off limits, but 9 or 10 would be reasonable. So it is a bit much to now claim that that is a position that people should look at. If nothing else, the recent Equality ref and Fridays shows that traditional assumptions about voting have changed. TD's should take note of that
Fighting Tao wrote: » Believe it or not, you are a winner from the result. Your life matters more now. You do not have to die like women before you due to the 8th. The lifting of oppression was a reason for many to celebrate.
OldNotWIse wrote: » I would never have had an abortion anyway. They don't speak for me and I do not feel in any way indebted or grateful!
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