PurvesGrundy wrote: » I've made my point. Now be glad that the referendum has been passed and we can look forward to the setting up of Denis's Esat Digibortion Clinic.
manual_man wrote: » I voted no I'm not part of a religious group. Nor are any of the people I personally know who voted no. The great irony to me, and missed by many but not all, is that many of the worst aspects of past church influence - demonisation, judging, preachiness, self-righteous anger - never really went away at all and have in fact been adopted by many under the guise of progressivism and the strict doctrine which it has come to embody. I feel a lot of people feel the way I do, but simply feel terrified, especially on college campuses, to speak up in the face of the dominant doctrine of this time. All I can say is do speak up, be true to yourself, for that's really the only path to personal liberation. You may receive a lot of hate for simply expressing opinions that are true to you but that's all the more reason to speak them and you will feel stronger for doing so. And you have a lot more allies than you think. Just because we're not always the loudest and angriest, does not mean we're not here.
Shurimgreat wrote: » No. Wearing a condom to prevent a pregnancy you are not prepared for is the responsible thing.
Doctor Jimbob wrote: » You're not concerned about people with down syndrome. You're just trying to make people who voted yes look bad, and it's hilariously transparent. No matter how often you do it, it's not going to change the outcome of the referendum. You lost, and no amount of guilt tripping and scaremongering is going to change that.
Shurimgreat wrote: » Yes side no interest in talking about DS cases. Sad really. For those who are interested and don't want to be bullied into silence.
Kh1993 wrote: » Well you’re the one suggesting I voted the way I did because others did. So don’t accuse people of immaturity if you’re belittling others votes. Very sinister actually accusing people of voting with the crowd. Anti-democratic even.. My opinion is based on what I know. And what loved ones close to me have experienced.
Shurimgreat wrote: Yes side no interest in talking about DS cases.
iguana wrote: » Downs Syndrome Ireland repeatedly asked to be left out of it. But of course you know that. Everyone knew that. But the no side couldn't resist trying use those people* to emotionally manipulate people to suit your agenda and it blew up in your faces. *That's people, real live people who had asked to be left out of it.
Hitman3000 wrote: » What part of disability is not a basis for abortion do you not understand?
The Golden Miller wrote: » So tell us about your thoughts of the process of pregnancy and the development of the unborn, and how you weighed it up when contrasting the rights of the unborn at various points in it's development against the rights of the mother, and the moral struggles you surely had, to come to your pre-conditioned conclusion?
ArthurDayne wrote: » I don't buy this at all. If there is a 'dominant doctrine' as you call it, at least it is now founded on Irish people people thinking for themselves. This vote imposes belief on no-one. If you are someone who is of the pro-life viewpoint, you may continue to believe that way and we will not impose our beliefs upon you. The old system imposes dogma, and the new system (if it passes) will be one of personal choice -- and not one which is dictated. If it becomes a Yes, it is the greatest indication yet that we are now a people who serve neither Church nor Conqueror. We are a people who stand on our own feet and say 'This is what WE believe'. Here's hoping the polls are true. And if not, it is now clear that the times they are a-changin'!
Overheal wrote: » The vote is over. People made up their minds. What is the point of continue to whittle at people like this. Whatever their reasons for Yes or No people made up their conclusions and acted accordingly. Can’t really be upset about one side ‘not be respectful’ by being celebratory or whatever, when you have so little respect for the outcome that you still think there’s a vote to be had and voters to be debated and swayed.
Shurimgreat wrote: General point here and not related to any group. What part of unrestricted abortion do you not understand?
Shurimgreat wrote: » Sorry. You cannot just pick and choose which emotive issues you want to deal with when it comes to abortion. I am willing to leave aside the DS issue now to respect DS Irelands wishes. Final point on it. It is not acceptable for a small number of Yes siders to repeatedly tell lies about No siders. There has to be some regard for the truth.
DubInMeath wrote: » If you are the age you claim to be, I'd be old enough to be your dad so here's some fatherly advise. Stop worrying and poking your oar into other peoples lives or your going to grow up to be a bitter little pill. Other peoples personal decisions have nothing to do with you.
hatrickpatrick wrote: » I don't agree that it's a bandwagon, or that it's self-righteousness, or that the celebrations tomorrow will be faux. Most of us are of a generation which spent the preteen Celtic Tiger years of the 1990s feeling like we were growing up in a modern, progressive, wonderful country to live in. Being taught by our parents about how Ireland won independence from a much more powerful empire, how we have a unique system of democracy (the PR system) which allows each person to meticulously state exactly what they want their government to look like, that after years of recession and corruption, Ireland was now the best economy in Europe and that Irish people had the freedom to do and be anything they wanted. The usual ideology millennials are often bashed for having grown up with, basically. Then, in the mid-2000s, this entire fantasy of Ireland being such a wonderful place to live was shattered with unbelievable speed and thoroughness. The Ryan and Murphy reports were commissioned and published. A dark, dark history of neglect, abuse, torture, sexual repression and downright evil was suddenly exposed, and for my generation this was the cruelest wake-up call that the free, modern, happy Ireland we had been told about as children was a horrible illusion built to hide the most appalling skeletons in the closet. Suddenly we were ashamed of our country, of the things which had been done in the name of a religion many of us grew up believing was a compassionate one based on love, and which had been done by the democratic, independent republic which our parents had spend our childhoods waxing lyrical about. We learned of young boys being raped by creepy paedophiles and of our state's institutions doing everything in their power to cover it up. We learned of young women being imprisoned, indefinitely and with no due process, for everything from having a child out of wedlock to being too sexy and extroverted. We learned of defenceless children of both genders being beaten to within an inch of their lives, sometimes tragically beyond the last inch of their lives, by sadistic adults who acted with total impunity and who to this day have never seen the inside of a prison cell for the unimaginable evil they administered for their own perverted gratification. We learned of a society in which it was illegal to express one's own sexuality if it didn't conform to what the establishment had decided was the only acceptable one, and in which it was illegal for people to use devices designed to allow them to enjoy sex without the burden of becoming parents - sometimes, becoming parents for the fifth or sixth time. Most of us were still reeling from this all-out assault on our rose-tinted sense of our own country's identity when the Savita case happened, and for those of us who became ardent repeal supporters, that was the straw which broke the camel's back and opened the flood gates of rage, a tide of white-hot fury which had been building inside our psyche's for years and finally could no longer be contained. I don't know what generation you come from or what values you were raised with regarding your identity and your country as a child, but I can tell you that nobody who didn't experience it will ever be able to understand how unbelievably soul-crushing it was to witness our country's spectacular fall from grace in such a gruesome and sudden manner. It's a feeling I will never forget and I suspect nor will most people of my generation; indeed I'd argue that it eclipsed the 2008 recession and its ongoing fallout in terms of the amount of psychological harm done to these people. It is utterly ignorant and offensive to describe any of this as a bandwagon or a virtue signalling exercise. Today, as with the gay marriage vote several years ago, feels like we're finally getting the chance to punch back against this corrosive force of social conservatism which led to so much heartache for this country, both those who directly experienced it and those who had to learn about it on the Six One news after spending their lives in sheltered ignorance of what a truly awful legacy this country now has to come to terms with. In that context, as far as I'm concerned, the people who drove this campaign have earned their celebration. They've been waiting for this moment for more than ten years (in the case of Gen Y whose rude awakening was the Ryan Report) and for many decades (in the case of older generations who have been waiting for this day since the amendment was created in 1983). Anyone who believes this to be an insincere exercise in narcissistic self-indulgence hasn't got a f*cking clue what they're talking about.
Shurimgreat wrote: » Will you stop with the "sticking it to the church" nonsense. A large number of No voters have zero time for the Catholic Church. A large number of Yes voters attend mass regularly and will be there blessing themselves next Sunday.
smokingman wrote: To all the "no" posters on here who needed to be constantly corrected on their lies, constantly told that fallacy after fallacy was wrong, constantly playing to a script and constantly totally misunderstanding genuine "no" voters; from the people of Ireland, **** off!
Hitman3000 wrote: » Cool an answer to a question with a question. Thought you were an adult, I guess I'm wrong.
PurvesGrundy wrote: » You said in your post that you checked with your buddies and they all voted Yes too. That says to me that you felt influence in how you cast your vote.
smokingman wrote: » To all the "no" posters on here who needed to be constantly corrected on their lies, constantly told that fallacy after fallacy was wrong, constantly playing to a script and constantly totally misunderstanding genuine "no" voters; from the people of Ireland, **** off!
Shurimgreat wrote: But to answer its unrestricted abortion. In other words no reason has to be given, disability or otherwise for the abortion up to 12 weeks. You knew that already though.
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