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Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

Ozymandius2011

This is for people who have already voted in the referendum. How did you vote? I voted yes.

Mod: This thread is little more than a survey about how you voted. Please don't the ins and outs of abortion.

Mod: This is not a reiteration of the previous 8th threads. If you were threadbanned from those, you are not threadbanned here.

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The Golden Miller

DubInMeath wrote: »

Strange how it was the bandwagon affect for SSM and now hopefully repeal of the 8th; You'd swear only the no side were capable of independent thought, when most of the time their shown not to have it.

I'd say the extreme on the No side is worse in terms of being an older generation set in their ways, contrasted to these liberal sheep on the other side who tend to be the most vocal of all. The moderate's in both camps at least give some reasoned weighed up thought

Kh1993

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

No, it's young people bowing to peer pressure and not being able to think for themselves. A mob mentality among youth voters even saw a pro life student union president thrown out.

I am only a year outside that age group and am glad to know that I was true to my thought in how I voted.

So basically yes voters of that age have bowed to a mob mentality. What a disingenuous post. I’m delighted so many of my age group have voted to put views like yours in the past. People who feel they can tell young people what to do, and scold them for not doing that, you people are relics. You think you can tell young people what to do. Well guess what? You can go and sh*te.

Ascough was impeached for breaking the SU’s mandate. Do keep up.

Up the republic. Up the youth.

robarmstrong

ted1 wrote: »

There’s a reason she’s an ex

Anyway here’s BBC facts that show the 34% of women have multiple abortions, I understand some will have issues such as FFA.
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-18249026

Last post to you on this matter as don't want to derail the thread any further -

I'm glad she's an ex, and I'm sorry for what you more than likely had to go through in regards to that, she sounds like a nasty piece of work, I'm glad you're free of her and I hope since her you've been sh!t-people free. Nasty individuals to have in your life!

I saw those figures before, we never know the reasons behind them as obviously we aren't the ones there, but don't let your ex and a couple of other women implant the view that a good percentage of that 34% are similar to those you have described, women like those are very, very rare and as such would not be good examples of women who have repeat abortions (FFA, uterine abnormalities, personal health issues, mental health issues, etc).

Shurimgreat

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Actually now that it's looking very likely the vote has comfortably passed, we can move towards treating nonsense like this with the utter contempt it deserves. There's no need to even engage with it anymore. The scaremongering hasn't worked. The emotional manipulation hasn't worked. It's over. Deal with it.

Zero attempt to answer my question.
With abortion more easily available in Ireland and tests for down syndrome available at 10 weeks do you believe abortion rates of DS unborns will go up or down?

BabyCheeses

The Golden Miller wrote: »

No I believe this crowd were a minority within the pro-choice crowd, a vocal one nonethless, the majority being made up or normal people wanting to repeal for the hard cases but getting abortion on demand trundled in with it

Well the no campaigners said to vote no and we'll get to vote again. For some reason they failed to convince people. They only have themselves to blame.

The Golden Miller

Kh1993 wrote: »

So basically yes voters of that age have bowed to a mob mentality. What a disingenuous post. I’m delighted so many of my age group have voted to put views like yours in the past. People who feel they can tell young people what to do, and scold them for not doing that, you people are relics. You think you can tell young people what to do. Well guess what? You can go and sh*te.

Ascough was impeached for breaking the SU’s mandate. Do keep up.

Up the republic. Up the youth.

You sound like exactly the stereotype he's talking about tbh, particularly with that trying really hard to sound impassioned, yet hollow, sign off.

Wrongway1985

The Golden Miller wrote: »

No I believe this crowd were a minority within the pro-choice crowd, a vocal one nonethless, the majority being made up or normal people wanting to repeal for the hard cases but getting abortion on demand trundled in with it

Abortion on demand was such a red herring.

Can't wait to hear the back of that line

retro:electro

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

No, it's young people bowing to peer pressure and not being able to think for themselves. A mob mentality among youth voters even saw a pro life student union president thrown out.

I am only a year outside that age group and am glad to know that I was true to my thought in how I voted.

I’m young. I didn’t “bow” to anything. I knew this was what I wanted to vote and I couldn’t give two shimmery ****s what you think. Thank god this attitude is dying out. We voted to Repeal the mess you made. Your day is over. You are the weakest link goodbye

storker

There were differences of opinion with in our family, but no conflict...it was all very relaxed...

Conversation with my mother (who had previously indicated a yes) yesterday:

ME: We'll take you with us to the polling station tomorrow evening.
Her: OK. How are you going to vote?
Me: We're (me and wife) are voting Yes.
Her: I'm going to vote No after all.
Me: Grand. Sometime after 7?
Her: OK. I expect Yes will win though.
Me: Maybe. We'll see.

And so...with our daughters/her granddaughters we headed off to the polling station, lovely evening, nice sunshine. The girls always like to come to the polling station to see us vote even though they won't have a vote for at least four years... we tell them how important it is to be informed, think for yourself and use your vote...and of course (more importantly) they got to have a nose around inside a different school.

PurvesGrundy

Kh1993 wrote: »

She was impeached for going against her mandate. Do keep up.

Whether she breached her mandate or not, I think she received bad treatment.

Instead of this looking down on young people for having an opinion. We’re just as informed as you Pro-forced birth people.

Well I did not talk with anyone in person about how I voted, because it did not matter to me what they thought; I had my view and that was all that matters. You said in your post that you checked with your buddies and they all voted Yes too. That says to me that you felt influence in how you cast your vote.

[Deleted User]

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I'd say the extreme on the No side is worse in terms of being an older generation set in their ways, contrasted to these liberal sheep on the other side who tend to be the most vocal of all. The moderate's in both camps at least give some reasoned weighed up thought

See its comments like liberal sheep that piss people off and turn them against the no side to an extent because it shows an arrogant we know best attitude. You see it here from a lot if no posters in relation to other topics about women and immigration for example, and gives the impression that their a bunch of inbred f*ck knuckles. Not saying this about you personally but you know where
I'm coming from

I'm a man in my 40s from what some people would consider a working class background and have both conservative and liberal views. In reality most people are the same so the liberal sheep bandwagon arguement doesn't wash.

hatrickpatrick

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I'm was talking in general. As for this particular case, they all love a "progressive liberal social justice" bandwagon to jump on to get their fill of self-righteousness. The amount of faux celebrations going on tomorrow will be cringeworthy

I don't agree that it's a bandwagon, or that it's self-righteousness, or that the celebrations tomorrow will be faux.

Most of us are of a generation which spent the preteen Celtic Tiger years of the 1990s feeling like we were growing up in a modern, progressive, wonderful country to live in. Being taught by our parents about how Ireland won independence from a much more powerful empire, how we have a unique system of democracy (the PR system) which allows each person to meticulously state exactly what they want their government to look like, that after years of recession and corruption, Ireland was now the best economy in Europe and that Irish people had the freedom to do and be anything they wanted. The usual ideology millennials are often bashed for having grown up with, basically.

Then, in the mid-2000s, this entire fantasy of Ireland being such a wonderful place to live was shattered with unbelievable speed and thoroughness. The Ryan and Murphy reports were commissioned and published. A dark, dark history of neglect, abuse, torture, sexual repression and downright evil was suddenly exposed, and for my generation this was the cruelest wake-up call that the free, modern, happy Ireland we had been told about as children was a horrible illusion built to hide the most appalling skeletons in the closet. Suddenly we were ashamed of our country, of the things which had been done in the name of a religion many of us grew up believing was a compassionate one based on love, and which had been done by the democratic, independent republic which our parents had spend our childhoods waxing lyrical about.

We learned of young boys being raped by creepy paedophiles and of our state's institutions doing everything in their power to cover it up. We learned of young women being imprisoned, indefinitely and with no due process, for everything from having a child out of wedlock to being too sexy and extroverted. We learned of defenceless children of both genders being beaten to within an inch of their lives, sometimes tragically beyond the last inch of their lives, by sadistic adults who acted with total impunity and who to this day have never seen the inside of a prison cell for the unimaginable evil they administered for their own perverted gratification. We learned of a society in which it was illegal to express one's own sexuality if it didn't conform to what the establishment had decided was the only acceptable one, and in which it was illegal for people to use devices designed to allow them to enjoy sex without the burden of becoming parents - sometimes, becoming parents for the fifth or sixth time.

Most of us were still reeling from this all-out assault on our rose-tinted sense of our own country's identity when the Savita case happened, and for those of us who became ardent repeal supporters, that was the straw which broke the camel's back and opened the flood gates of rage, a tide of white-hot fury which had been building inside our psyche's for years and finally could no longer be contained.

I don't know what generation you come from or what values you were raised with regarding your identity and your country as a child, but I can tell you that nobody who didn't experience it will ever be able to understand how unbelievably soul-crushing it was to witness our country's spectacular fall from grace in such a gruesome and sudden manner. It's a feeling I will never forget and I suspect nor will most people of my generation; indeed I'd argue that it eclipsed the 2008 recession and its ongoing fallout in terms of the amount of psychological harm done to these people.

It is utterly ignorant and offensive to describe any of this as a bandwagon or a virtue signalling exercise. Today, as with the gay marriage vote several years ago, feels like we're finally getting the chance to punch back against this corrosive force of social conservatism which led to so much heartache for this country, both those who directly experienced it and those who had to learn about it on the Six One news after spending their lives in sheltered ignorance of what a truly awful legacy this country now has to come to terms with.

In that context, as far as I'm concerned, the people who drove this campaign have earned their celebration. They've been waiting for this moment for more than ten years (in the case of Gen Y whose rude awakening was the Ryan Report) and for many decades (in the case of older generations who have been waiting for this day since the amendment was created in 1983).

Anyone who believes this to be an insincere exercise in narcissistic self-indulgence hasn't got a f*cking clue what they're talking about.

Kh1993

The Golden Miller wrote: »

You sound like exactly the stereotype he's talking about tbh, particularly with that trying really hard to sound impassioned, yet hollow, sign off.

He’s the one trying to write off 18-25 year olds as following a mob mentality. Strikes as sour grapes to be honest.

_Dara_

storker wrote: »

There were differences of opinion with in our family, but no conflict...it was all very relaxed...

Conversation with my mother (who had previously indicated a yes) yesterday:

ME: We'll take you with us to the polling station tomorrow evening.
Her: OK. How are you going to vote?
Me: We're (me and wife) are voting Yes.
Her: I'm going to vote No after all.
Me: Grand. Sometime after 7?
Her: OK. I expect Yes will win though.
Me: Maybe. We'll see.

And so...with our daughters/her granddaughters we headed off to the polling station, lovely evening, nice sunshine. The girls always like to come to the polling station to see us vote even though they won't have a vote for at least four years... we tell them how important it is to be informed, think for yourself and use your vote...and of course (more importantly) they got to have a nose around inside a different school.

_

Mirrors my chats with my no-voting dad. (though he almost abstained) We never rowed, we just talked about it like adults.

Kh1993

retro:electro wrote: »

I’m young. I didn’t “bow” to anything. I knew this was what I wanted to vote and I couldn’t give two shimmery ****s what you think. Thank god this attitude is dying out. We voted to Repeal the mess you made. Your day is over. You are the weakest link goodbye

Nailed it. As if a yes vote is something to look down upon. Young people can’t win. Don’t vote- you’re a scrounger. Vote Yes- you’re following the mob. Thank fck this attitude is on the way out.

PurvesGrundy

Kh1993 wrote: »

He’s the one trying to write off 18-25 year olds as following a mob mentality. Strikes as sour grapes to be honest.

I'm only a year older than you by the way.

Kh1993

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Whether she breached her mandate or not, I think she received bad treatment.

Well I did not talk with anyone in person about how I voted, because it did not matter to me what they thought; I had my view and that was all that matters. You said in your post that you checked with your buddies and they all voted Yes too. That says to me that you felt influence in how you cast your vote.

Imagine asking your friends how they voted after you have. Such an alien concept, hey?

PurvesGrundy

Kh1993 wrote: »

Imagine asking your friends how they voted after you have. Such an alien concept, hey?

Well of course it was important for you. You obviously had no real deep views on it and wanted to make sure you voted like everyone else.

manual_man

BabyCheeses wrote: »

The no side was lead by religious groups. I guess all no voters were religious conformists who think a supreme being was guiding them. How full of themselves can they be.

I voted no I'm not part of a religious group. Nor are any of the people I personally know who voted no. The great irony to me, and missed by many but not all, is that many of the worst aspects of past church influence - demonisation, judging, preachiness, self-righteous anger - never really went away at all and have in fact been adopted by many under the guise of progressivism and the strict doctrine which it has come to embody.

I feel a lot of people feel the way I do, but simply feel terrified, especially on college campuses, to speak up in the face of the dominant doctrine of this time. All I can say is do speak up, be true to yourself, for that's really the only path to personal liberation. You may receive a lot of hate for simply expressing opinions that are true to you but that's all the more reason to speak them and you will feel stronger for doing so. And you have a lot more allies than you think. Just because we're not always the loudest and angriest, does not mean we're not here.

Shurimgreat

Yes side no interest in talking about DS cases.

Sad really.

For those who are interested and don't want to be bullied into silence.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/denmark-and-down-syndrome-1.3319280?mode=amp

I have no relationship or affiliation to the life institute by the way before some yes sider feels it nessecary to perpetrate that lie.

Kh1993

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Well of course it was important for you. You obviously had no real deep views on it and wanted to make sure you voted like everyone else.

That’s a leap. I voted myself, then asked friends over a pint how they voted. They didn’t need to answer, they did however. Sad that you think others influenced my vote, maybe you’re projecting. x x x

acequion

Kh1993 wrote: »

So basically yes voters of that age have bowed to a mob mentality. What a disingenuous post. I’m delighted so many of my age group have voted to put views like yours in the past. People who feel they can tell young people what to do, and scold them for not doing that, you people are relics. You think you can tell young people what to do. Well guess what? You can go and sh*te.

Ascough was impeached for breaking the SU’s mandate. Do keep up.

Up the republic. Up the youth.

Ah here no need to be getting all ageist about it!

I'm in my late 50's and voted Yes. As did my 87 year old mother and 93 year old aunt. I've been pro choice my entire life and voted that way back in the dark 80's, when pro choice was a minority.

So don't assume the older generation are all aul relics. Some are for sure but many are not. Just as there are also a fair few youngsters on the no side who love to preach and patronise.

This victory is for everyone, young and old, who want to give Irish women the dignity of choice.

Overheal

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Yes side no interest in talking about DS cases.

Sad really.

For those who are interested and don't want to be bullied into silence.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/denmark-and-down-syndrome-1.3319280%3fmode=amp

I have no relationship or affiliation to the life institute by the way before some yes sider feels it nessecary to perpetrate that lie.

69% for Yes.

There is your answer.

storker

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Well of course it was important for you. You obviously had no real deep views on it and wanted to make sure you voted like everyone else.

After your previous post it occurred to me that you don't sound very young, but with this post you do. Very.

I'm curious, when did you perform the Vulcan mind-meld that gave you such penetrating insight into you interlocutor's thought processes?

_

Ozymandius2011

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Yes side no interest in talking about DS cases.

Sad really.

For those who are interested and don't want to be bullied into silence.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/denmark-and-down-syndrome-1.3319280%3fmode=amp

I have no relationship or affiliation to the life institute by the way before some yes sider feels it nessecary to perpetrate that lie.

DS is a very challenging condition and not every potential parent will be up to that challenge.

Kh1993

acequion wrote: »

Ah here no need to be getting all ageist about it!

I'm in my late 50's and voted Yes. As did my 87 year old mother and 93 year old aunt. I've been pro choice my entire life and voted that way back in the dark 80's, when pro choice was a minority.

So don't assume the older generation are all aul relics. Some are for sure but many are not. Just as there are also a fair few youngsters on the no side who love to preach and patronise.

This victory is for everyone, young and old, who wanted to give Irish women the dignity of choice.

I don’t disagree. Not meaning to be ageist! People of all ages stepped up! More so the poster who had a go at young people who then suggested were bandwagonning and following the crowd so to speak.

PurvesGrundy

Kh1993 wrote: »

That’s a leap. I voted myself, then asked friends over a pint how they voted. They didn’t need to answer, they did however. Sad that you think others influenced my vote, maybe you’re projecting. x x x

Even the tone of your post sounds insincere and immature.

Kh1993 wrote: »

I don’t disagree. Not meaning to be ageist! People of all ages stepped up! More so the poster who had a go at young people who then suggested were bandwagonning and following the crowd so to speak.

I'm 26 myself. It's based on what I know.

Kh1993

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Even the tone of your post sounds insincere and immature.

Well you’re the one suggesting I voted the way I did because others did. So don’t accuse people of immaturity if you’re belittling others votes. Very sinister actually accusing people of voting with the crowd. Anti-democratic even..

My opinion is based on what I know. And what loved ones close to me have experienced.

BarleySweets

ted1 wrote: »

There’s a reason she’s an ex

Anyway here’s BBC facts that show the 34% of women have multiple abortions, I understand some will have issues such as FFA.
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-18249026

Did you know that the guy you replied to in that post detailed his own personal experience where his wife has had multiple miscarriages? Multiple times that they might have decided that abortion was the right choice. They did not want to have to make a choice like that but that’s just what happened to them. That’s one couple who made a brave decision to share their story with you and me on Boards. There are many other Irish people in, if not the same but, similar situations that do not wish to come on here. Many other Irish people that experience multiple similar tragedies.

How can you smugly latch on to a statistic where you know absolutely nothing about the situation behind the numbers and think that this statistic somehow proves your point that you think Irish women will, en masse, begin using abortion as a contraceptive method?

PurvesGrundy

Kh1993 wrote: »

Well you’re the one suggesting I voted the way I did because others did. So don’t accuse people of immaturity if you’re belittling others votes. Very sinister actually accusing people of voting with the crowd. Anti-democratic even..

I've made my point. Now be glad that the referendum has been passed and we can look forward to the setting up of Denis's Esat Digibortion Clinic.