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Seagulls and small vintage outboard restoration

fergal.b

This is a 1955-56 102 I just picked up and I'm thinking of restoring, it's sized missing bits and is in pretty bad shape but I think it will look ok when it's done. :rolleyes:

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Hifive

That's great to have some history on it Fergal.
Do you know when was the mermaid last in use?

Just remembering, I sailed (crew/ballast) in the mermaid nationals in Clontarf about a million years ago and we could have done with an outboard!

fergal.b

Hifive wrote: »

That's great to have some history on it Fergal.
Do you know when was the mermaid last in use?

I don't know yet I'm still digging

but going by the engine I'd say around 20 years, The mermaid is also being restored but it will now have a full back deck with nowhere to hang the engine.

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Alkers

So I had a look in the old man's garage this morning and look what I found:

Both were apparently running when they were put into the garage at least five years ago.

I haven't got any experience at doing anything like this, so all advice is appreciated.

I'm thinking I'll spend a bit today trying to get them started and do a bit of a clean-up, then order parts online to give them a service and once running, have a go a restoring them as per this thread - if I get them looking half as good I'd be delighted.

Actually, might just make my own thread seeing as I'll have lots of questions!

BrensBenz

Off topic, I know, so apologies in advance but I have to say that hearing that Nicapando is being restored makes my day! I was fortunate enough to crew with Harry Grimes and his brother John in "Nica" during Mermaid Week, yonks ago in Dun Laoghaire. Two enormously talented men and a pleasure to spend time with.

I restored a National 18 of the same vintage as Nicapando so PM if I can render any assistance.

By the way, I'm pretty sure that the boat name's spelling is Nicahpando, an anagram for "No Handicap".....I think.

fergal.b

Simona1986 wrote: »

So I had a look in the old man's garage this morning and look what I found:
Both were apparently running when they were put into the garage at least five years ago.

I haven't got any experience at doing anything like this, so all advice is appreciated.

I'm thinking I'll spend a bit today trying to get them started and do a bit of a clean-up, then order parts online to give them a service and once running, have a go a restoring them as per this thread - if I get them looking half as good I'd be delighted.

Actually, might just make my own thread seeing as I'll have lots of questions!

They look the same as my two a 102 and a forty plus

If you don't get a spark don't strip it down till you try charging it you can do this by taking the plug out and then using a socket connected to a drill and put it on the big nut on the flywheel and spin it for about a minute.

fergal.b

BrensBenz wrote: »

Off topic, I know, so apologies in advance but I have to say that hearing that Nicapando is being restored makes my day! I was fortunate enough to crew with Harry Grimes and his brother John in "Nica" during Mermaid Week, yonks ago in Dun Laoghaire. Two enormously talented men and a pleasure to spend time with.

I restored a National 18 of the same vintage as Nicapando so PM if I can render any assistance.

By the way, I'm pretty sure that the boat name's spelling is Nicahpando, an anagram for "No Handicap".....I think.

I know John Grimes well he lived across the road from me in Skerries and did a lot of boating with my dad, funny when I lived in Limerick many moons a go my neighbours were also mermaid sailors Irene and Trevor Brown.

fergal.b

fergal.b wrote: »

I picked up this little forty plus for forty bucks yesterday God only knows why I just felt sorry for the poor thing.

Here she is now I didn't go to town on the polishing just gave her a bit of a makeover

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fergal.b

A few more seagulls I'm working on.

The first one is a forty plus with a recoil starter.

The shaft was too rough to clean up.

So I cheated a bit and gave it a coat of hammerite and used some pluming pipe covering.

sogood

Would you call that a flock of seagulls fergal? Lovely work as usual. Looking great.

fergal.b

sogood wrote: »

Would you call that a flock of seagulls fergal? Lovely work as usual. Looking great.

It will be now that I bought two more on Adverts yesterday

Alkers

fergal.b wrote:

It will be now that I bought two more on Adverts yesterday

Let me know if you're looking for any more. What do you do with them all?

fergal.b

Simona1986 wrote: »

Let me know if you're looking for any more. What do you do with them all?

These six are going to lakeside Marina for display in the bar

Daibheid

The recoil starter takes all the fun out of a seagull, no risk of getting wrapped up in the flywheel, the ease of pulling it repeatedly before you drift onto the rocks and no chance of giving a crewmember a black eye from the flying starter rope!

You were haunted to get tanks in such good condition, most of them have the end caps at least stoved right in and they're difficult to do anything with. Super standard of finish.

Did you re-jet them to run the lighter oil mix?

fergal.b

Daibheid wrote: »

The recoil starter takes all the fun out of a seagull, no risk of getting wrapped up in the flywheel, the ease of pulling it repeatedly before you drift onto the rocks and no chance of giving a crewmember a black eye from the flying starter rope!

You were haunted to get tanks in such good condition, most of them have the end caps at least stoved right in and they're difficult to do anything with. Super standard of finish.

Did you re-jet them to run the lighter oil mix?

Yep on the older ones I change them to run at 25 to 1.

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pedroeibar1

fergal.b wrote: »

These six are going to lakeside Marina for display in the bar .

Best place for them! :P;)

Daibheid

fergal.b wrote: »

Yep on the older ones I change them to run at 25 to 1.

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I have one that had been changed and the previous owner filed off the mix numbers on the filler cap to help indicate there were new jets. Maybe it's a convention in the Seagul world?
25:1 saves a lot of oil and definitely kinder to the environment. These were always run on STP or GTX too, none of your new fangled clean specialised 2-stroke marine oils!:)

fergal.b

Daibheid wrote: »

You were haunted to get tanks in such good condition, most of them have the end caps at least stoved right in and they're difficult to do anything with. Super standard of finish.

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I tend to leave them with their battle scars

but with a bit of work you can remove the end caps and flatten them out then solder them back on.

fergal.b

The next seagull to leave the nest is a 1971 Silver Century with clutch.

Daibheid

Best one yet Fergal!

How did you get the alloy to come up so well? It's shinier than when it left the factory.

fergal.b

Daibheid wrote: »

Best one yet Fergal!

How did you get the alloy to come up so well? It's shinier than when it left the factory.

Polishing wheel and a lot of time

Daibheid

fergal.b wrote: »

Polishing wheel and a lot of time

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Knowing your dedication to patience and polish and 16,0000 grit paper, I was expecting you to say that but half hoping you might have a magic bullet, e.g.found a way to electro polish!:(

To be fair to Seagull, it's probably a testament to the quality of the original castings too.

fergal.b

This week it's the baby leaving a 1970 forty featherweight.

Kerryman79

Beautiful restoration Fergal, makes my one look like crap , love those engines , my one was over 40 years in a shed , fresh petrol and she started first pick , id reckon if she had 30 hours done it would be alot ! love the simplicity of them . Any luck on locating your boat mate ?

fergal.b

[QUOTE= Any luck on locating your boat mate ?[/QUOTE]

Nothing yet but when I do the world and it's Mother will know about it

All updates are in the sticky above.

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fergal.b

Another forty plus with a recoil starter.

This one is quite rough so I decided to paint it.

The bling carb was rotten so I had to get a replacement not an easy thing to do as they are very few and far between.

Not looking great the tank was all rusted so I filled it with pebbles and gave it a good shaking.

Also had a little pinhole.

A bit of blue hammerite.

fergal.b

Next up is the 1973 silver century stolen from Joseph P Dowling Athlone maybe he would like it back now

My heart is not able for all that pull starting anymore

Daibheid

Another one better than the day it left the factory. Not often you see a seagul without the tank ends dented.

fergal.b

Daibheid wrote: »

Another one better than the day it left the factory. Not often you see a seagul without the tank ends dented.

Cheers

what are my chances of doing the same to this thing it's a 1936 OMC elto service twin, plugs were left out for years everything is sized and some parts are missing :eek:

Even has a plant growing in it

Hifive

Jasus! Did you dig it up? I have lots of faith in you Ferg, but you have your work cut out on this one. Maybe polish it up and make an ornament out of it?

fergal.b

Next up is a forty featherweight.