danganabu wrote: The juvenile club in its entirety has been sespended, thats over 300 young players being deprived of games, of course they will be driven to other sports.
Hitman3000 wrote: » Which is entirely the fault of the individuals involved with the running of the club.
danganabu wrote: I'm not sure anyone has suggested otherwise
danganabu wrote: » You have used this phrase ''bully the complainants'' in almost every post you have posted here, you seem very certain that their was some sort of campaign against these parents, based solely on their and PK's account of events where no right to reply has been afforded to the club and the relevant officials. Croke Park's official findings makes no reference what so ever to bullying.
danganabu wrote: » Apologies for the confusion my intention was to highlight the fact there was no mention of orchastrated or systematic bullying on behalf of the club itself. Bullying in my mind is a very very serious accusation.
danganabu wrote: » The whole article is a rant and if that's not rambling I suggest Mr Kimmage go back and do a refresher course on journalism.
danganabu wrote: » The juvenile club in its entirety has been sespended, thats over 300 young players being deprived of games, of course they will be driven to other sports.
danganabu wrote: » I'm not sure anyone has suggested otherwise
Stoner wrote: » I'd imagine the logic is clear clear enough. Why punish the kids and drive them away. They did nothing wrong, other sports benefit.
Stoner wrote: » Reminds me of a joke my father told me years ago back when milkmen used horses and carts. A man comes home from work early to find the milk cart and horse parked outside his house. He sneaks into the house and into the bedroom to find the milkman and his wife going at it. He took his broken heart down to the pub to drown his sorrows and told his friends about it. A friend asked "What did you do to the milkman, did you give him a hiding?" "No" said the man, "but I gave his horse a right kick in the boll**x"
A friend asked "What did you do to the milkman, did you give him a hiding?" "No" said the man, "but to get back at him I f****d his horse"
ChippingSodbury wrote: » The sanction at the moment is extremely severe (and on the wrong parties i.e. the kids) but sometimes, this is a good way to handle the situation. What one would hope is that there will be a clear-out of the existing hierarchy and a willingness of new parents/ adults to get involved who may have been not so inclined beforehand due to the incumbents. This will get sorted, kids will play hurling and football: there may be a temporary dip in numbers but I've no doubt it will be sorted albeit with different people at the helm.
Hitman3000 wrote: » I believe it was said 300 kids can no longer play and maybe lost to other sports, entirely the fault and behaviour of the club in Athenry.
evolving_doors wrote: I think there's a thing called the greater good! The club was suspended because there was stuff to sort out. In cases of child protection I think it's good practice not to leave people with complaints against them in situ (whether there's any substance or not!).
evolving_doors wrote: » Dunno what your logic is though... just say there's nothing to see here and let them carry on swearing at kids and requesting their sole presence in changing rooms! What would you have liked to happen?
evolving_doors wrote: » Actually there have been a few suggesting otherwise on here and in the article.
evolving_doors wrote: » That's a bit of a limp effort at pointing out what parts in particular are a rant. If you really believe that the "whole article is a rant" then you're saying the quotes by people at the meeting are also a rant. C'mon be a bit more specific.
danganabu wrote: My point is that the people that are ultimately being punished are not those that committed any offence............its really not rocket science
danganabu wrote: I guess that the analysis and rating of an article is very much a subjective practice, but to this readers eye its a steaming pile of horse sh*t which is a shame becasue amidst all the bluster and woefully structured story a hugely important and significant message is somewhat lost. I have spoken to a number of people about the article over the last few days and almost to a person they have said they were left with more questions than answers and had to re-read the article a number of times to fully comprehend what exactly Kimmage was trying to say, Kimmage trys a little too hard when there was really no need. The Orwelian quote just about sums him up.
Hitman3000 wrote: » As our American friends would say, 'unavoidable collateral damage'. It's a pity on the kids but how you would propose sanctioning the club for it's behaviour?
Tell me how wrote: » That's his style. Always is. You don't like it, that's fine. He always is a marmite kinda guy. Any holes in the story are relating to the clubs behavior, in my view.
danganabu wrote: I agree fully but that was my original point that Kimmage was not the best fit for this story imo. There should be no one even talking about the author in a case like this, but of course that wouldnt suit PK.
danganabu wrote: » I agree fully but that was my original point that Kimmage was not the best fit for this story imo. There should be no one even talking about the author in a case like this, but of course that wouldnt suit PK.
danganabu wrote: I agree with you thats its a very difficult situation and to be perfectly honest I dont really know what they most ideal solution is, but it doesn't stop it being wrong that 350 innocent kids are being punished for a couple of foolish, ignorant committee members. Perhaps it would have been more pertinent to hand out lenghty/life bans to those that were specifically found guilty of wrong doing and force the club to clean house.
runawaybishop wrote: » The only ones ****ing on about the author seem to also be seeing the club as fairly innocent. Funny that.
danganabu wrote: » Again can you please point out who or where anyone has said that the club was innocent, please stop making shi* up. Also not sure what exaclty you find funny about this whole episode.
runawaybishop wrote: » Loads of thinly veiled posts, some not even veiled, that the author has an agenda, that the parents are just pricks, that the club shouldn't have gotten in trouble, the club had no opportunity to respond, people strangely unable to read the article to see clear statements and outright denying facts. Let me rephrase. It's not funny, its logically falacious and disingenuous - just like the club rep on the call transcription.
danganabu wrote: » I guess that the analysis and rating of an article is very much a subjective practice, but to this readers eye its a steaming pile of horse sh*t which is a shame becasue amidst all the bluster and woefully structured story a hugely important and significant message is somewhat lost. I have spoken to a number of people about the article over the last few days and almost to a person they have said they were left with more questions than answers and had to re-read the article a number of times to fully comprehend what exactly Kimmage was trying to say, Kimmage trys a little too hard when there was really no need. The Orwelian quote just about sums him up.
Wombatman wrote: For better or worse I can understand the actions of the parents and the club officials. What I can't understand is why a professional journalist can't write a complete balanced story, without all the unnecessary hyperbole and so many unanswered questions. I expect when the dust settles the article, as presented, will be far more damaging than constructive.
Wombatman wrote: By contrast, the quality of the journalism in the following story highlights how a well researched, informative, balanced and controversial article can be presented without all the drama and junior cert histrionics. The click bait headline in the Indo piece speaks volumes.
Road-Hog wrote: » Does anyone know what kimmage’s motivation is here other than trying to get readers attention. Is he anti gaa by nature or is he trying to just fill his column on a Sunday/weekend that has little else going on sport wise.quote] From this article there is no inference at all that Kimmage has an anti GAA agenda. Its quite clear who is at fault here, and it ain't the kids, their parents or Croke Park HQ.
