Belfast rape trial discussion thread II

Silentcorner wrote: »

Ask Jamie Carragher what happens when you do something stupid and you have a high profile.

I honestly can't help you so I'd say move away from the computer, find the nearest grown up and ask them to spoon feed you.

Sure Jamie is currently not employed but that was a month or so ago. What about Andy Gray and Richard Keys had no problems getting their careers back on track after comments they had made did they? Gray even worked in England a few years later again. If its actual crimes then an actual convicted rapist still plays for Waterford. Jermaine Pennant played for Birmingham wearking an Anklet. How many athletes across various fields have been convicted of drink driving?

So explain your hysteria again?

Strazdas

Eddie O'Sullivan doesn't sound very sympathetic to the two players on RTE News just now and said he had been "upset" by things he had heard during the trial.

tritium

facehugger99 wrote: »

Would it be within the remit of World Rugby Governing Body to step in and prevent other clubs offering them contracts, does anyone know?

They have brought the game in general into disrepute.

Would send a very strong message.

Hahaha no chance. Given they sat on their hands on Aaron Smith, Julian Savea, Matthew basteraud and god knows how many other they won’t go near this even if they may have some jurisdiction. They’d be sued out of the gate if they tried.

That you think that way really says more about you than anything else tbh.

facehugger99

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Unlike this little hung-up corner of the world I don't think World Rugby would give a damn what people do in their bedrooms.

Make a complaint to them, see how you get on.

Not a bad idea tbh - not sure if it's part of their remit though - thus my question.

I would have thought World Rugby would certainly give a damn about disrepute being brought onto the game.

pjohnson wrote: »

Ok then. What do you think happened then?

Ask Jamie Carragher what happens when you do something stupid and you have a high profile.

I honestly can't help you so I'd say move away from the computer, find the nearest grown up and ask them to spoon feed you.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Unlike this little hung-up corner of the world I don't think World Rugby would give a damn what people do in their bedrooms.

Make a complaint to them, see how you get on.

What they say on whatsapp is the problem I think.

pjohnson wrote: »

Silentcorner would be in stitches now.

facehugger99 wrote: »

Would it be within the remit of World Rugby Governing Body to step in and prevent other clubs offering them contracts, does anyone know?

They have brought the game in general into disrepute.

Would send a very strong message.

Unlike this little hung-up corner of the world I don't think World Rugby would give a damn what people do in their bedrooms.

Make a complaint to them, see how you get on.

Silentcorner wrote: »

Look, there is no point in engaging with you. You haven't grasped the seriousness of what has just happened here...

Ok then. What do you think happened then?

pjohnson wrote: »

What? Were they found guilty? Was it misreported.

Convicted rapists have had careers post conviction.

Look, there is no point in engaging with you. You haven't grasped the seriousness of what has just happened here...

facehugger99 wrote: »

Would it be within the remit of World Rugby Governing Body to step in and prevent other clubs offering them contracts, does anyone know?

They have brought the game in general into disrepute.

Would send a very strong message.

Silentcorner would be in stitches now.

facehugger99

Would it be within the remit of World Rugby Governing Body to step in and prevent other clubs offering them contracts, does anyone know?

They have brought the game in general into disrepute.

Would send a very strong message.

tritium wrote: »

Nah, If Ian Madigan can get a gig in France, Jackson should be able to. Plenty of money for aninternational class player there especially one who won’t have international commitments to juggle

Bath and Exeter mentioned too. If a number of teams are vying then I think it is safe to assume he can negotiate a good deal for himself.

tritium

facehugger99 wrote: »

PJ and BJ need to reconsider their careers.

No personal sponsorship deals.

No punditry retirement gigs.

I doubt anyone's going to offer them a position in coaching other young lads.

They're young enough to switch careers now - no point playing until they're 30 and then trying to get qualified in something - they should just cut their losses and make a clean break - perhaps use some of their financial settlement to fund a university course?

Nah, If Ian Madigan can get a gig in France, Jackson should be able to. Plenty of money for aninternational class player there especially one who won’t have international commitments to juggle

Silentcorner wrote: »

You really haven't a fooking clue....

What? Were they found guilty? Was it misreported.

Convicted rapists have had careers post conviction.

pjohnson wrote: »

Well this season is basically over so fitness is irrelevant. They will join up with their new employers in pre season. Their reputation is fine as they were innocent.

You really haven't a fooking clue....

pjohnson wrote: »

Jackson especially has talent. And of course absolutely no conviction, sure some might whine on twitter but he is an innocent top class out half. Winning games helps revenue and his ability will help teams win. You are focusing on hashtags without accounting for player ability.

There will be plenty of interest in Jackson if he makes himself available. Wouldn't be suprised if he had a deal done before the IRFU made it's decision.

Silentcorner wrote: »

I'm not focusing on any hashtags....what the fook are you on about...honestly...it does not take a genius to figure out that presently, these guys are damaged goods, in terms of reputation and match fitness....THAT....will be what any club hoping to signing them will reference in the belief that they can sign them cheap enough...not hastags/feminazis/mobs etc etc etc...

They are going to lose the IRFU appearance money, that will not be replaced.

Those are the commercial realities.

Well this season is basically over so fitness is irrelevant. They will join up with their new employers in pre season. Their reputation is fine as they were innocent.

facehugger99

PJ and BJ need to reconsider their careers.

No personal sponsorship deals.

No punditry retirement gigs.

I doubt anyone's going to offer them a position in coaching other young lads.

They're young enough to switch careers now - no point playing until they're 30 and then trying to get qualified in something - they should just cut their losses and make a clean break - perhaps use some of their financial settlement to fund a university course?

skearnsot

Silentcorner wrote: »

Ya, true.

But unfortunately we didn't get to hear that the woman in this case was scorned, nobody testified to that fact.

We only know that one minute (according to the lads) she was happy servicing all the lads (although no one knows how she managed to service McIlroy) the next she was gone, about 45 minutes later, she arrived home, in a state of distress.

Not every woman who cries is faking it either!

Oh Jeez I know they’re not all faking it poor things - it’s GOT to be the worst situation - I thought she was up and gone the first time when he admitted he didn’t know her name (could give some ladies “the scorn”)! It’s a friggin mess for all concerned

pjohnson wrote: »

Jackson especially has talent. And of course absolutely no conviction, sure some might whine on twitter but he is an innocent top class out half. Winning games helps revenue and his ability will help teams win. You are focusing on hashtags without accounting for player ability.

I'm not focusing on any hashtags....what the fook are you on about...honestly...it does not take a genius to figure out that presently, these guys are damaged goods, in terms of reputation and match fitness....THAT....will be what any club hoping to signing them will reference in the belief that they can sign them cheap enough...not hastags/feminazis/mobs etc etc etc...

They are going to lose the IRFU appearance money, that will not be replaced.

Those are the commercial realities.

Silentcorner wrote: »

No, I do not have any reason to celebrate.

You laughed at my suggestion that the lads are not in a strong negotiating position.

You haven't a clue what you are on about, not a fu##ing clue...it's a very tough business environment at the best of times...these are not the best of times for these two boys....but you need a semblance of commercial acumen to recognise that.

Jackson especially has talent. And of course absolutely no conviction, sure some might whine on twitter but he is an innocent top class out half. Winning games helps revenue and his ability will help teams win. You are focusing on hashtags without accounting for player ability.

Unclebumble wrote: »

You can’t play International rugby if already played for another country.

This has been issue where Pacific Islanders have played 1 game for a Tier 1 nation but then when not needed cannot play for their homeland.

Bundi hadn’t played at international level before.
You still have to do residency (which is increasing from 3 to 5 years from 2020)

Ah well. Will just have to hope that whatever team they go to gets to play against an Irish team at home.

Would like to hear an Irish crowd welcome them back.

pjohnson wrote: »

You pretend to talk about commercial decisions when you really have a different reason to celebrate.

No, I do not have any reason to celebrate.

You laughed at my suggestion that the lads are not in a strong negotiating position.

You haven't a clue what you are on about, not a fu##ing clue...it's a very tough business environment at the best of times...these are not the best of times for these two boys....but you need a semblance of commercial acumen to recognise that.

JRant wrote: »

The lack of self awareness here is truly staggering.

In one sentence you claim the message is don't treat people like dirt and in the very next you use derogatory terms and liken a person to a monkey.

Let's hope your employer is not checking your public posts on Boards.

He/she just cannot help letting the mask slip.

Unclebumble

C__MC wrote: »

No there is not but if that does happen, pigs will fly

You can’t play International rugby if already played for another country.

This has been issue where Pacific Islanders have played 1 game for a Tier 1 nation but then when not needed cannot play for their homeland.

Bundi hadn’t played at international level before.
You still have to do residency (which is increasing from 3 to 5 years from 2020)

hatrickpatrick

facehugger99 wrote: »

That wasn't what was "proven" and if you think that's the 'message' from this case you're sadly mistaken.

The message is actions have consequences.

The message is don't think because you play international rugby you have a license to do what you want.

The message is don't treat people like dirt.

Paddy Pantsdown and his simian mate are learning their lesson the hard way - you still sound like you've a way to go.

Again, there is literally nothing wrong with engaging in consensual group sex, and nobody should ever be punished for comments made in private to a group of close friends or family.

Silentcorner wrote: »

Ha ha haaa...what the f##k does that sentence mean! Ha ha haaa....

You pretend to talk about commercial decisions when you really have a different reason to celebrate.

Ulster would kill to have had Jackson at 10 this year with Pienaar gone.