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Belfast rape trial discussion thread II

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This thread is for continuing the discussion of the recent Belfast rape trial. The old thread can be found here.

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FrancieBrady

facehugger99 wrote: »

Would it be within the remit of World Rugby Governing Body to step in and prevent other clubs offering them contracts, does anyone know?

They have brought the game in general into disrepute.

Would send a very strong message.

Unlike this little hung-up corner of the world I don't think World Rugby would give a damn what people do in their bedrooms.

Make a complaint to them, see how you get on.

Silentcorner

pjohnson wrote: »

Silentcorner would be in stitches now.

pjohnson

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Unlike this little hung-up corner of the world I don't think World Rugby would give a damn what people do in their bedrooms.

Make a complaint to them, see how you get on.

What they say on whatsapp is the problem I think.

Silentcorner

pjohnson wrote: »

Ok then. What do you think happened then?

Ask Jamie Carragher what happens when you do something stupid and you have a high profile.

I honestly can't help you so I'd say move away from the computer, find the nearest grown up and ask them to spoon feed you.

facehugger99

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Unlike this little hung-up corner of the world I don't think World Rugby would give a damn what people do in their bedrooms.

Make a complaint to them, see how you get on.

Not a bad idea tbh - not sure if it's part of their remit though - thus my question.

I would have thought World Rugby would certainly give a damn about disrepute being brought onto the game.

tritium

facehugger99 wrote: »

Would it be within the remit of World Rugby Governing Body to step in and prevent other clubs offering them contracts, does anyone know?

They have brought the game in general into disrepute.

Would send a very strong message.

Hahaha no chance. Given they sat on their hands on Aaron Smith, Julian Savea, Matthew basteraud and god knows how many other they won’t go near this even if they may have some jurisdiction. They’d be sued out of the gate if they tried.

That you think that way really says more about you than anything else tbh.

Strazdas

Eddie O'Sullivan doesn't sound very sympathetic to the two players on RTE News just now and said he had been "upset" by things he had heard during the trial.

pjohnson

Silentcorner wrote: »

Ask Jamie Carragher what happens when you do something stupid and you have a high profile.

I honestly can't help you so I'd say move away from the computer, find the nearest grown up and ask them to spoon feed you.

Sure Jamie is currently not employed but that was a month or so ago. What about Andy Gray and Richard Keys had no problems getting their careers back on track after comments they had made did they? Gray even worked in England a few years later again. If its actual crimes then an actual convicted rapist still plays for Waterford. Jermaine Pennant played for Birmingham wearking an Anklet. How many athletes across various fields have been convicted of drink driving?

So explain your hysteria again?

C__MC

Craig Gilroy
Any sluts get ****ed?

Paddy Jackson
There was a lot of spit

By logic Gilroy is a lucky boy to be still with Ulster

JRant

facehugger99 wrote: »

Would it be within the remit of World Rugby Governing Body to step in and prevent other clubs offering them contracts, does anyone know?

They have brought the game in general into disrepute.

Would send a very strong message.

You're not aiming high enough. Surely a binding UN resolution is the only way forward.

Yamanoto

facehugger99 wrote: »

PJ and BJ need to reconsider their careers.

No personal sponsorship deals.

No punditry retirement gigs.

I doubt anyone's going to offer them a position in coaching other young lads.

They're young enough to switch careers now - no point playing until they're 30 and then trying to get qualified in something - they should just cut their losses and make a clean break - perhaps use some of their financial settlement to fund a university course?

Both Jackson & Olding will have very little trouble in picking up a playing contract in France, SA, Japan or the Antipodes.

On a purely financial level, those moves (to France or Japan in particular) would yield a significantly higher dividend to both men than would be the case had they remained in Ireland.

skearnsot

Strazdas wrote: »

Eddie O'Sullivan doesn't sound very sympathetic to the two players on RTE News just now and said he had been "upset" by things he had heard during the trial.

Well he may well be in a position that less said is easiest mended! Couldn’t have been easy sitting in on that trial matterless of what “side” one would have been on. Even reading about it was upsetting and uncomfortable

pjohnson

tritium wrote: »

Hahaha no chance. Given they sat on their hands on Aaron Smith, Julian Savea, Matthew basteraud and god knows how many other they won’t go near this even if they may have some jurisdiction. They’d be sued out of the gate if they tried.

That you think that way really says more about you than anything else tbh.

Sure the IRFU had no issue with Gerbrandt Grobler. Drugs are fine but whatsapp messages are grounds for termination.

FrancieBrady

JRant wrote: »

You're not aiming high enough. Surely a binding UN resolution is the only way forward.

Post of the day award goes to...:D:D:D

[Deleted User]

pjohnson wrote: »

Sure Jamie is currently not employed but that was a month or so ago. What about Andy Gray and Richard Keys had no problems getting their careers back on track after comments they had made did they? Gray even worked in England a few years later again. If its actual crimes then an actual convicted rapist still plays for Waterford. Jermaine Pennant played for Birmingham wearking an Anklet. How many athletes across various fields have been convicted of drink driving?

So explain your hysteria again?

And Jackson and Olding will find themselves employed again pretty soon, back playing professional rugby, they just won't be doing it in Ulster or Ireland, just like Gray, Keys and Carragher are not working for Sky.

Silentcorner

pjohnson wrote: »

Sure Jamie is currently not employed but that was a month or so ago. What about Andy Gray and Richard Keys had no problems getting their careers back on track after comments they had made did they? Gray even worked in England a few years later again. If its actual crimes then an actual convicted rapist still plays for Waterford. Jermaine Pennant played for Birmingham wearking an Anklet. How many athletes across various fields have been convicted of drink driving?

So explain your hysteria again?

My hysteria????

Look back on all those guys you listed, then come back to me with a link where they were paid the same or more than what they were on before they fooked up!

pjohnson

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

And Jackson and Olding will find themselves employed again pretty soon, back playing professional rugby, they just won't be doing it in Ulster or Ireland, just like Gray, Keys and Carragher are not working for Sky.

Not according to silentcorner and facehugger.

Silentcorner

pjohnson wrote: »

Not according to silentcorner and facehugger.

Please link me to where I said that they wouldn't find clubs.

Specialun

facehugger99 wrote: »

Would it be within the remit of World Rugby Governing Body to step in and prevent other clubs offering them contracts, does anyone know?

They have brought the game in general into disrepute.

Would send a very strong message.

why not stop there. put them to death by firing squad

Fann Linn

Specialun wrote: »

why not stop there. put them to death by firing squad

The bitterness is strong in some on here.

FrancieBrady

Olding and Jackson are also suing the BBC in what looks like an open and shut case. Probably won't even go to court.

Might force some action on anonymity in future cases.

[Deleted User]

Silentcorner wrote: »

Ha ha haaa...what the f##k does that sentence mean! Ha ha haaa....

Silentcorner wrote: »

You haven't a clue what you are on about, not a fu##ing clue.

Silentcorner wrote: »

You really haven't a fooking clue....

For someone so offended by the use of language, you sure use some colourful language towards fellow users here yourself.

Royal Legend

pjohnson wrote: »

What they say on whatsapp is the problem I think.

People on here are assuming that is why they were sacked, but if that was the case Gilroy would be gone as well
More likely (guessing) that is was that they thought that being involved in a gang bang or spit roasting was unacceptable for a professional International Rugby player whether consensual or not
Gilroy not being sacked points towards the latter as he was not involved in the actual incident

Specialun

Fann Linn wrote: »

The bitterness is strong in some on here.

you what pal?

can you put a bit of meat on the bone for me and elaborate...

Silentcorner

Omackeral wrote: »

For someone so offended by the use of language, you sure use some colourful language towards fellow users here yourself.

Ya this thread is bringing out the best in all of us

JRant

Royal Legend wrote: »

People on here are assuming that is why they were sacked, but if that was the case Gilroy would be gone as well
More likely (guessing) that is was that they thought that being involved in a gang bang or spit roasting was unacceptable for a professional International Rugby player whether consensual or not
Gilroy not being sacked points towards the latter as he was not involved in the actual incident

I wouldn't say so, seeing as 2 other international players had a consensual threesome and they weren't sacked.

Royal Legend

JRant wrote: »

I wouldn't say so, seeing as 2 other international players had a consensual threesome and they weren't sacked.

Not Irish Players though, if its the Whatsapp, then why wasn't Gilroy sacked?

Appledreams15

I'd also really like to affirm: a girl going into a bedroom -does not mean she wants to have sex.

In fact, I think we are all familiar with this scenario: the man may say some excuse to get the woman to see the bedroom. I.e "I want to show you the fish/book I have/music I have."

A woman walking into a man's bedroom does not mean she wants to have sex, and again you are arrogant to assume so.

Lets hope this case knocked home the seriousness of: Ask someone do they want to have sex before you proceed, or you could ruin your life/career.

pjohnson

Royal Legend wrote: »

Not Irish Players though, if its that Whatsapp, then why wasn't Gilroy sacked?

They were/are Irish players.

Appledreams15

JRant wrote: »

I wouldn't say so, seeing as 2 other international players had a consensual threesome and they weren't sacked.

Why would a consensual threesome get anyone sacked. What you do consensually is your own business.

It was the lads overall behaviour, leaving the girl crying and bleeding and the messages. Of course they look bad.

CG only sent a message which is why he was suspended.