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Can you sue a pub landlord for slander

cryptocurrency

Went into a pub today, one I have only been in few times before in two years and I remembered both dates a durations and was with my other half and child.
I don’t go there as I have to drive and it’s out of my way. Today I called in and ordered a glass of Guinness only to be refused and told I was in there a few months ago with another guy and was causing a fight. This surprised me as it’s not something I’ve ever done or been accused of, infact most people would laugh at that idea of me. I said to the bar man you have made a mistake, 100% there is no chance of this. He said there is CCTV footage of this incident and the landlord had it and said I was not to be served. I said what time was the landlord in..he said 7.30. I come back at 7.30, bar man said 8..waited till 8 till the landlord arrived. I asked the landlord for a word and explained the situation and he said that his barman said it was me and he will back his staff. I informed him I am certain it wasn’t me as I have never been in the place with friends or a friend and just a few flying visits with family when we pop into the veg shop next door. He said there was no CCTV and repeated he will back his staff. I said ask all your staff as they are the ones I have dealt with and he said he will come back to me. He then said he has a right to do what he likes and I will have to put up with it. I said I would speak with a solicitor and he just laughed saying “I’m insured” ..I sense this was just a chip at my UK accent.
Now that this is clearly a mix up and he hasn’t an ounce of proof to his or his staffs claims is this slander or defamation of character if they still stick to this wild claim?
I’m happy to consider contacting a solicitor as I can’t believe we live in a world where people can publicly point and people and make wild unsubstantiated claims about them.

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dxhound2005

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Booked in tonight with a solicitor

What advice did they give you?

4ensic15

steddyeddy wrote: »

People are saying this isn't a big deal, but I think it is. A friend of mine at university was accused of selling drugs in a Dublin pub. She was absolutely mortified and it was clear that the manager was just making trouble. I mean it's certainly defamation of character. Depending on the severity of the slander I find it hard to believe people would just move on.

It is not slander. It is only defamation if someone other than the person referred to hears it.

Fighting Tao

dxhound2005 wrote: »

What advice did they give you?

Must use the solicitor a lot to get a night visit.

steddyeddy

4ensic15 wrote: »

It is not slander. It is only defamation if someone other than the person referred to hears it.

In other words all the bar staff who must be told that a certain person is to be refused entry for (insert reason here).

cryptocurrency

steddyeddy wrote: »

People are saying this isn't a big deal, but I think it is. A friend of mine at university was accused of selling drugs in a Dublin pub. She was absolutely mortified and it was clear that the manager was just making trouble. I mean it's certainly defamation of character. Depending on the severity of the slander I find it hard to believe people would just move on.

Society needs to take the power from these publicans and make they as accountable as any shop keeping. They are basically just a glorified centra manager. People have a duty..all of us . To drive this shift and clip their wings to the level of all other shop keepers.

Uncharted

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Society needs to take the power from these publicans and make they as accountable as any shop keeping. They are basically just a glorified centra manager. People have a duty..all of us . To drive this shift and clip their wings to the level of all other shop keepers.

......mmm.........Aongus von Bismarck??

Gregk961

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Society needs to take the power from these publicans and make they as accountable as any shop keeping. They are basically just a glorified centra manager. People have a duty..all of us . To drive this shift and clip their wings to the level of all other shop keepers.

I think you should take the first steps in this revolution and name the pub.

4ensic15

Gregk961 wrote: »

I think you should take the first steps in this revolution and name the pub.

Was it the same pub this guy was in?
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057860410&page=13

weldoninhio

4ensic15 wrote: »

Was it the same pub this guy was in?
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057860410&page=13

Busted.

weldoninhio

dxhound2005 wrote: »

What advice did they give you?

No answer yet, he must still be out soliciting.

Hitman3000

Chrongen wrote:

It IS an injustice. Admittedly not a very big one but it's still a case of the staff barring someone because they claimed he caused trouble. I would be incensed if I was mistakenly accused of being some scumbag brawler and barred for an establishment no matter how crappy the establishment was or how little the ban impacted my life.

It isn't really but if it makes you feel better keep saying it is...; )

AnneFrank

At least it didn't take the landlord 800 years to get rid of him

Hitman3000

dxhound2005 wrote:

What advice did they give you?

If he was honest, ''cop on to yourself''....

cryptocurrency

AnneFrank wrote: »

At least it didn't take the landlord 800 years to get rid of him

Don’t get it. There was countries all over Europe sailing around the world taking over places so if it wasn’t the British it would most likely have been the French or the Dutch but they were all hardy just gonna sail past an undefended land mass on their doorstep full on mud farmers to go to other places. France, Belgium, Portugal, Spain , Holland, Britain, Germany were are in the colonial business. Wake up. It’s worked out much better than it could have.

imme

It seems to be a way of life for people to sue these days.

Your opening post OP sounds like there is doubt on your part.
You say that the staff and landlord don't have proof.

Where does proof come into it if you are innocent, why do you need to introduce proof.

I don't understand what you're saying about your being from the UK, what bearing does that have.

cryptocurrency

imme wrote: »

It seems to be a way of life for people to sue these days.

Your opening post OP sounds like there is doubt on your part.
You say that the staff and landlord don't have proof.

Where does proof come into it if you are innocent, why do you need to introduce proof.

I don't understand what you're saying about your being from the UK, what bearing does that have.

They made a ridiculous claim. I stated that repeatedly. Proof is to decribe anything to back up their claim. You are desperately picking at non existent holes here.

davo10

cryptocurrency wrote: »

They made a ridiculous claim. I stated that repeatedly. Proof is to decribe anything to back up their claim. You are desperately picking at non existent holes here.

Solicitor running a tad late?

Gregk961

cryptocurrency wrote: »

They made a ridiculous claim. I stated that repeatedly. Proof is to decribe anything to back up their claim. You are desperately picking at non existent holes here.

The solicitor though. How did you get on?

Fighting Tao

So tell the truth about the solicitor and the story. Have you made it up? If so then fair play for the commitment and living on the thread since you opened it.

cryptocurrency

I am waiting to see if they will acknowledge that it wasn’t me on Friday. That’s all I want. Then we have closure. Until then I will not be speaking to the solicitor. I know he is open to 7 most evenings as I’ve used him for other day to day stuff before.
I also have friends and family who are solicitors but generally I have my own guy for dealing with my business.

weldoninhio

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I am waiting to see if they will acknowledge that it wasn’t me on Friday. That’s all I want. Then we have closure. Until then I will not be speaking to the solicitor. I know he is open to 7 most evenings as I’ve used him for other day to day stuff before.
I also have friends and family who are solicitors but generally I have my own guy for dealing with my business.

So you lied when you said you had an appointment tonight?

cryptocurrency

weldoninhio wrote: »

So you lied when you said you had an appointment tonight?

I rang him and he said to drop in. It isn’t unheard of for me to do that post six as he is about 10 mins from my house.

Gregk961

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Booked in tonight with a solicitor

Joeseph Balls

Lads your all worse for even entertaining him.
Obviously a wind up

If not, he's getting the attention he craves

weldoninhio

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I rang him and he said to drop in. It isn’t unheard of for me to do that post six as he is about 10 mins from my house.

Do you often solicit at night?

Uncharted

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

Lads your all worse for even entertaining him.
Obviously a wind up
If not, he's getting the attention he craves

Leave this place and never come back!!

Can we not have fun anywhere anymore?☺

4ensic15

Fighting Tao wrote: »

So tell the truth about the solicitor and the story. Have you made it up? If so then fair play for the commitment and living on the thread since you opened it.

It is an amazing coincidence that the exact same thing word for word happened to another poster in another thread.

Fighting Tao

4ensic15 wrote: »

It is an amazing coincidence that the exact same thing word for word happened to another poster in another thread.

It is possible that harry Bailey esq was taking the proverbial in the other thread. That's the way I took it.

Franz Von Peppercorn

imme wrote: »

It seems to be a way of life for people to sue these days.

Your opening post OP sounds like there is doubt on your part.
You say that the staff and landlord don't have proof.

Where does proof come into it if you are innocent, why do you need to introduce proof.

I don't understand what you're saying about your being from the UK, what bearing does that have.

They need proof in a defamation case. He’s saying it was prejudiced because of his ethnicity. I’m dubious on the second case.

However he can sue, despite what people here think.

clio_16v

buster76 wrote: »

Only 2 legal reasons you can be refused entry or service is if you are too drunk or have caused problems on the premises before. Unfortunately the onus is on you too prove innocence in both cases. You got to love legal loopholes

So a known local drug dealer with a history of violence comes into the bar. He's sober and hasnt been in the bar before. I'm LEGALLY obliged to serve him? Nonsense.
Even if said guy comes in, behaves impeccibly and tips me generously, you will lose local custom because you serve that 1 guy. This is why landlords wont serve said guy