Will I Am Not wrote: » Do people have to protest everything these days? Don’t like it? Don’t go. Annoying people that do want to go is just being a dick.
Leroy42 wrote: » I think the more traditional religions are protected by their very history and tradition. They go back many generations are as afforded a certain respect because of that. Scientology is a very recent addition and is seen my many as a scam. It is strange that were any of the other religions to start now I would think that they would be treated in much the same way.
baylah17 wrote: » Why?
_Kaiser_ wrote: » and while I don't really care either way if he comes as I won't be going or listening to him, it's funny that so many here seem to be against the idea of a peaceful protest by those who may have a legitimate cause for one.. just because it might "look bad" in the era of Twitter and 24/7 news.
knipex wrote: » Ahhh go away.. Just what need,, another bloody protest that achieves nothing except give the usual suspects a chance to appear on a stage or grab a megaphone.. We must have a hard core group of professional protesters at this stage.. You would achieve a much better result with wider ranging implications nationally and internationally if you just convinced everyone to stay away.. Imagine, all that pomp, all that ceremony, all the media and no-one shows... Or those that consider themselves catholic and who want to show up and see \ meet the leader of their religion can do so without without bothering you or you bothering them.. no major headlines or news footage of the usual twats shouting into megaphones..
work wrote: » I believe a huge protest against the popes visit is required to show the government and church they are no longer welcome or wanted in our society. What do you think? There are many stakeholders that should protest their removal from any influence in our society. Some that come to mind are: 1) Anyone not supportive of misogyny 2) Anyone that doesn't believe in school indoctrination of children in a massive lie. 3) Anyone concerned about abusers in positions allowing abuse 4) Anyone with the most basic scientific education. 5) Anyone that doesn't support cults 6) Anyone that believes LGBT people should be treated fairly in society. 7) Anyone that believes women should have ANY control of their bodies. 8) Anyone that is not seen as equal in the church namely women children and men. There are many other areas but I realised I have covered everyone. As such let's all go to the Phoenix park to let the Vatican know they are not welcome. Are there any peaceful groups planning to protest?
garbo speaks wrote: » Calhoun wrote: » Quite interesting to see peoples stances on religion, saw something on twitter yesterday where a guy was calling a bunch of people who were protesting the opening of a mosque in Kilkenny racist. Then compare the reaction to protesting of the Scientology centre in Dublin or this thread. While i do understand that the Irish have been victimized more from the catholic religion i am just wondering why we don't hold all religions to the same standards. In all fairness, I think if a mosque were to open near anyone's home, you would have the right to be very concerned.
Calhoun wrote: » Quite interesting to see peoples stances on religion, saw something on twitter yesterday where a guy was calling a bunch of people who were protesting the opening of a mosque in Kilkenny racist. Then compare the reaction to protesting of the Scientology centre in Dublin or this thread. While i do understand that the Irish have been victimized more from the catholic religion i am just wondering why we don't hold all religions to the same standards.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » i have one quite close to me. I have no concerns at all.
Graces7 wrote: » Oh dear! You need to learn what this is really about, Not sexism. Ah well... we understand and that is what matters after all, not how the outsiders see it.
Leroy42 wrote: » You seem to be confusing tolerance with subservience. Catholics are very much tolerated, as are most religions in Ireland. That doesn't mean that one shouldn't look to question and try to influence those that follow it. So should slavery have been left as it was. Slavery was a long held tradition in the US? What about FGM, should that simply be left unquestioned because it has been undertaken for so many years? The length of time of something does not indicate its virtuousness. Sexism is sexism, it is simply hidden behind a veil of tradition and belief. Doesn't change the fact that the gender you dictates whether you will ever be accepted into the priesthood.
garbo speaks wrote: » In all fairness, I think if a mosque were to open near anyone's home, you would have the right to be very concerned.
Calhoun wrote: » Well lets put aside the catholic religion, look at the fury and push back on Scientology versus Islam as a religion. Don't get me wrong Islam gets criticism as well but those criticizing it get flagged as racists.
Graces7 wrote: » So much for tolerance
Graces7 wrote: » So much then for real tolerance? Tradition is not sexism .
Leroy42 wrote: » Its about critical mass. Far more people know of and are affected by Catholic faith. The visit of a muslim cleric would unlikely bring about such a state undertaking. It certainly would not involve Croke Park and the Phoenix Park. The lack of interest in those faiths shows the level of interest, both positive and negative. They are too small to impact on everyday life and as such people are happy enough to let people get on with it. The Catholic church is very different. Until relatively recently it held a massive sway in the country. From the local priest, to controlling schools. We have only this year got rid of the ban on good friday drinking. So I don't think it a case of not being against the other religions, but rather what will most people understand and how best to target the mindset.
Leroy42 wrote: » Or maybe they are using the upcoming visit of the head of the church to coordinate a protest around a particular event. It is far easier to get people interested when the event is already widely known about rather than picking a random Thursday in October or whatever. And just because people may not have protested before, does not diminish the point they are trying to make. The 1st question that the pope should be asked is why, in the #metoo era and when companies in the UK are now required to file gender pay gap reports, does the Catholic church still exercise sexism in terms of it hiring policies? That we, as a country, should be welcoming such a standard bearer of sexism is a shame.
_Kaiser_ wrote: » This is an odd thread really given the usual tone of Catholic Church threads. It seems to me that most here seem to reckon their virtue-signalling of "tolerance" is of more importance than the actual subject involved - the visit of the designated head of an organisation which has been responsible for decades of abuse, misery and social stagnation in this country and which even now - 25 years after that started to finally loosen - still has lingering effects on things like Education, and the outstanding answers and justice for many of its victims.Maybe we seek peace now from all of this? I wasn't raised a Catholic - or with any faith (my mother had a "none of the above until they're old enough to decide for themselves" attitude to it all), and while I don't really care either way if he comes as I won't be going or listening to him, it's funny that so many here seem to be against the idea of a peaceful protest by those who may have a legitimate cause for one.. just because it might "look bad" in the era of Twitter and 24/7 news. Let's turn it on its head.. I was walking down the street with my 6 year old the other day and we passed a truck parked up with a big anti-abortion poster on the side showing an "angry baby". Luckily he's too young to realise the significance, but is that acceptable really?
_Kaiser_ wrote: » This is an odd thread really given the usual tone of Catholic Church threads. It seems to me that most here seem to reckon their virtue-signalling of "tolerance" is of more importance than the actual subject involved - the visit of the designated head of an organisation which has been responsible for decades of abuse, misery and social stagnation in this country and which even now - 25 years after that started to finally loosen - still has lingering effects on things like Education, and the outstanding answers and justice for many of its victims. I wasn't raised a Catholic - or with any faith (my mother had a "none of the above until they're old enough to decide for themselves" attitude to it all), and while I don't really care either way if he comes as I won't be going or listening to him, it's funny that so many here seem to be against the idea of a peaceful protest by those who may have a legitimate cause for one.. just because it might "look bad" in the era of Twitter and 24/7 news. Let's turn it on its head.. I was walking down the street with my 6 year old the other day and we passed a truck parked up with a big anti-abortion poster on the side showing an "angry baby". Luckily he's too young to realise the significance, but is that acceptable really?
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » That's a failing of the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform (or whetever it's called) though; not the Catholic Church
Rivka Flat Handgun wrote: » Will you also protest at the governments and civil authorities collusion in self same child abuse cases?
work wrote: » That would be the most important thing to change (state funded school influence) I believe and in fairness in my OP that may not have been evident. I have no personal need to protest but the church have been involved in some very nasty episodes in this country and perhaps a PEACEFUL protest toward their leader (the one that exists) is merited. I really wanted to just get an idea what people thought about a protest and certainly not to lead one. Without access to the schools most children would not be aware of the church and its teachings. A class on being civic minded, ethical and an understanding of all major religions to help how countries developed should be what children are exposed to.
GreeBo wrote: » His sick what? Granny? Went to Lourdes, she's grand now.
work wrote: » corks finest wrote: » Obviously you're looking for a knee jerk reaction,here's mine,and really don't care what ppl think,I my family,and most sensible, Christians welcome the holy father,us a man of peace and reconciliation,end of I fully accept and support your right to welcome the pope however I really do not want a knee jerk reaction. I want Christian indoctrination out of our society along with its pathologic ideals. To this end I am trying to gather support to protest the "holy fathers" coming to Ireland so the political establishment understand how change is not only needed but should be implemented.
corks finest wrote: » Obviously you're looking for a knee jerk reaction,here's mine,and really don't care what ppl think,I my family,and most sensible, Christians welcome the holy father,us a man of peace and reconciliation,end of
