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Should we protest against the pope's visit?

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I believe a huge protest against the popes visit is required to show the government and church they are no longer welcome or wanted in our society. What do you think? There are many stakeholders that should protest their removal from any influence in our society. Some that come to mind are:
1) Anyone not supportive of misogyny
2) Anyone that doesn't believe in school indoctrination of children in a massive lie.
3) Anyone concerned about abusers in positions allowing abuse
4) Anyone with the most basic scientific education.
5) Anyone that doesn't support cults
6) Anyone that believes LGBT people should be treated fairly in society.
7) Anyone that believes women should have ANY control of their bodies.
8) Anyone that is not seen as equal in the church namely women children and men.

There are many other areas but I realised I have covered everyone. As such let's all go to the Phoenix park to let the Vatican know they are not welcome.
Are there any peaceful groups planning to protest?

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stimpson

Aegir wrote: »

I’m sure they will when they’ve finished selling off all their schools playing fields.

Gotta do something to make a few shekels now they can’t sell babies to rich yanks anymore.

Cee-Jay-Cee

work wrote: »

I believe a huge protest against the popes visit is required to show the government and church they are no longer welcome or wanted in our society. What do you think? There are many stakeholders that should protest their removal from any influence in our society. Some that come to mind are:
1) Anyone not supportive of misogyny
2) Anyone that doesn't believe in school indoctrination of children in a massive lie.
3) Anyone concerned about abusers in positions allowing abuse
4) Anyone with the most basic scientific education.
5) Anyone that doesn't support cults
6) Anyone that believes LGBT people should be treated fairly in society.
7) Anyone that believes women should have ANY control of their bodies.
8) Anyone that is not seen as equal in the church namely women children and men.

There are many other areas but I realised I have covered everyone. As such let's all go to the Phoenix park to let the Vatican know they are not welcome.
Are there any peaceful groups planning to protest?

FFS...Go and get a job or a hobby or something more worthwhile than dreaming up what you can protest about. :rolleyes:

[Deleted User]

stimpson wrote: »

The church said they would pay compensation for those they abused, yet they still have to put their hands in their pockets.

I’m sure they will when they’ve finished selling off all their schools playing fields.

Franz Von Peppercorn

munchkin_utd wrote: »

for those who didnt learn how to click links,
Catholics = 3.7million
No Religion = 0.46 million
COI/ Muslim/ Orthodox = 0.24 million

Someone is going to say that the catholics are mostly cultural part time catholics. Which is true but irrelevant when you are talking about protesting the pope.

munchkin_utd

Glass fused light wrote: »

But ..........millions ...?

http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp8iter/p8iter/

http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp8iter/p8iter/p8rnraa/

for those who didnt learn how to click links,
Catholics = 3.7million
No Religion = 0.46 million
COI/ Muslim/ Orthodox = 0.24 million

Franz Von Peppercorn

It’s worthwhile trying a protest. It will show the lack of support for militant atheism ( as opposed to lacklustre atheism like myself).

The actual victims of child abuse in the church though should have a designated place to protest within view of the Pope.

Glass fused light

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm pretty surprised at the comments here. Out of everything in Ireland, the Catholic Church deserves the biggest backlash.

A protest isn't about other people's right to follow whatever religion they like. It's about the affect of a religion on the millions in Ireland who aren't religious, and it's about the organisation's disgusting history here.

But ..........millions ...?

http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp8iter/p8iter/

http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp8iter/p8iter/p8rnraa/

stimpson

Graces7 wrote: »

Actually the Church is paying for the visit.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/pope-s-visit-to-dublin-to-cost-20-million-archbishop-1.3331189

google it and see?

The church said they would pay compensation for those they abused, yet they still have to put their hands in their pockets.

Graces7

And also of course the Gardia and others will be well prepared for protests and wil deal with them. swiftly and efficiently

Graces7

Hector Savage wrote: »

Not that we should block him , I mean that shows intolerance - but my problem is the amount of tax payers money that will be wasted on this, why can't the bloody Vatican with their billions pay for it ?

Could sell some of the golden taps they have in the Pope's palacial suite to foot the bill too ...

Actually the Church is paying for the visit.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/pope-s-visit-to-dublin-to-cost-20-million-archbishop-1.3331189

google it and see?

greenflash

beefburrito wrote: »

Is that you Mr Nugent ?

It's not Mick. He may be mental but he's not stupid.

beefburrito

work wrote: »

I believe a huge protest against the popes visit is required to show the government and church they are no longer welcome or wanted in our society. What do you think? There are many stakeholders that should protest their removal from any influence in our society. Some that come to mind are:
1) Anyone not supportive of misogyny
2) Anyone that doesn't believe in school indoctrination of children in a massive lie.
3) Anyone concerned about abusers in positions allowing abuse
4) Anyone with the most basic scientific education.
5) Anyone that doesn't support cults
6) Anyone that believes LGBT people should be treated fairly in society.
7) Anyone that believes women should have ANY control of their bodies.
8) Anyone that is not seen as equal in the church namely women children and men.

There are many other areas but I realised I have covered everyone. As such let's all go to the Phoenix park to let the Vatican know they are not welcome.
Are there any peaceful groups planning to protest?

Is that you Mr Nugent ?

Nettle Soup

seamus wrote: »

If you feel a protest is necessary, then I don't see why not. Knock yourself out.

I don't think he is visiting Mayo this time....they're cursed don't you know.

Hector Savage

Not that we should block him , I mean that shows intolerance - but my problem is the amount of tax payers money that will be wasted on this, why can't the bloody Vatican with their billions pay for it ?

Could sell some of the golden taps they have in the Pope's palacial suite to foot the bill too ...

seamus

If you feel a protest is necessary, then I don't see why not. Knock yourself out.

Certainly the Vatican has a lot to be ashamed of, a lot of questions to answer and caused a lot of misery for a lot of people. So one can't say that a protest is unwarranted.

I'd have no problem with it. If I'm going to stay in Dublin that weekend, I'll likely stay at home and avoid the inevitable traffic chaos.

stimpson

Maybe while he’s here he can go and consecrate that septic tank in Tuam. I’m sure those babies would go to heaven if the pope put in a good word for them.

Wanderer78

dudara wrote: »

I think the fact that the Pope's visit will be ignored by many, or not cared about by many, is indicative enough for me. Our society is slowly but surely rejecting the previously dominant Catholic doctrine. I'm happy out to let him come visit. I know it will matter to people like my mother. Myself, I'll be busy with the usual stuff that day.

id say we ll be surprised at how supportive his visit will be, and we ve only moved the goal posts in regards indoctrination

dudara

I think the fact that the Pope's visit will be ignored by many, or not cared about by many, is indicative enough for me. Our society is slowly but surely rejecting the previously dominant Catholic doctrine. I'm happy out to let him come visit. I know it will matter to people like my mother. Myself, I'll be busy with the usual stuff that day.

_Kaiser_

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I'm not entirely convicned you're being sincere here, but in the event you are, - yeah, let's protest against freedom of expression and freedom of religion. That'll show the rest of the world how modern and toletant we are...

I know this is half in jest and half legitimate comment... but we as a country/society actually do have a issue with needing to be validated/approved of by the rest of the world.

It's why so many have been sucked in by the more extreme liberal nonsense from America on the likes of Twitter and Facebook and why it's starting to seep into everyday society now.

On the OP.. I agree with his sentiment to be fair, and while I wouldn't be protesting myself, surely a tolerant society is better showing the world how it can maturely deal with dissenting views as well?

CruelCoin

Mary Thoughtless Yo-yo wrote: »

Thinking about the idea in real terms, I would have concerns for the physical safety of protestors, lest they be attacked.

That's a little ironic

s7ryf3925pivug

Thinking about the idea in real terms, I would have concerns for the physical safety of protestors, lest they be attacked.

Fann Linn

I think i'll go golfing that day.

s7ryf3925pivug

I agree with the notion of protests.
They owe over a billion in compensation for horrific crimes against children here.
They have excessive and negative influence on the government of this country.
It is outrageous that it is difficult and usually expensive to provide an education free of their indoctrination.

Graces7

work wrote: »

I take your point and in fairness the church in time will become less significant. I feel strongly about changing the status quo after having children because the way many people accept and promote this is warped.
I chatted to many sets of parents that let their kids make their communion. Plenty do not in believe in religeon but they don't want their child to miss out or be the odd one out. Personally I find such promotion of a lie to a child really wrong.
I do not have any reasonable alternative schooling other than religious for my kids which taxes pay for to further promote religeon.
Finally I am surprised people generally do not see a reason to protest to change this but no harm asking the question and if there is no appetite to change I will of course accept this.

You are entitled to your thoughts and views and to living them in your life.

But so are others and if you act out against? Then are you not like them?

Also if you act out, demo etc then you will attract opposition. Been there, done that believe me and it has made me very careful

And differentiate between faith and the abuses therein?

Just stay away from the visit? That is protest enough

corcaigh07

The best protest for this is to ignore it, completely ignore the whole visit. Don’t watch it on TV, go to the pub, go shopping, do your normal life.

The Church is fading all on its own.

work

professore wrote: »

I won't be joining you but. I am 100% supportive of your right to protest.

Everything above is true of Islam in spades. And there aren't any Catholic terror gangs out there. The systematic child abuse has been rooted out.

Yet protesting against the abuses in that religion will get you labelled a racist (bizarrely since Islam isn't a race). Would you organise a protest against Islam too or are you just going to call me racist?

How do you know the abuse is rooted out the church still has access to our children and a protective hierarchy.

I never mentioned terror, the pope is not muslin and the Muslim religion though relevant as are all religions doesn't have the influence or power in Ireland of Catholicism. I think no religion should permeate school or normal society

work

Graces7 wrote: »

Wise and sensible words.

OF COURSE there will be a massive turnout for the visit. Ireland would lose international face else and this IS about politics

OF COURSE Catholic hardliners will proclaim RENEWAL. But that is not so

OF COURSE we all know the past. Time to move forward; enough troubles for the day we are in surely?

I take your point and in fairness the church in time will become less significant. I feel strongly about changing the status quo after having children because the way many people accept and promote this is warped.
I chatted to many sets of parents that let their kids make their communion. Plenty do not in believe in religeon but they don't want their child to miss out or be the odd one out. Personally I find such promotion of a lie to a child really wrong.
I do not have any reasonable alternative schooling other than religious for my kids which taxes pay for to further promote religeon.
Finally I am surprised people generally do not see a reason to protest to change this but no harm asking the question and if there is no appetite to change I will of course accept this.

Phoebas

professore wrote: »

I won't be joining you but. I am 100% supportive of your right to protest.

Everything above is true of Islam in spades. And there aren't any Catholic terror gangs out there. The systematic child abuse has been rooted out.

Yet protesting against the abuses in that religion will get you labelled a racist (bizarrely since Islam isn't a race). Would you organise a protest against Islam too or are you just going to call me racist?

Why would someone protest against Islam at the Pope's visit?
I don't think the Pope has much influence on the problems of Islam.

professore

work wrote: »

I believe a huge protest against the popes visit is required to show the government and church they are no longer welcome or wanted in our society. What do you think? There are many stakeholders that should protest their removal from any influence in our society. Some that come to mind are:
1) Anyone not supportive of misogyny
2) Anyone that doesn't believe in school indoctrination of children in a massive lie.
3) Anyone concerned about abusers in positions allowing abuse
4) Anyone with the most basic scientific education.
5) Anyone that doesn't support cults
6) Anyone that believes LGBT people should be treated fairly in society.
7) Anyone that believes women should have ANY control of their bodies.
8) Anyone that is not seen as equal in the church namely women children and men.

There are many other areas but I realised I have covered everyone. As such let's all go to the Phoenix park to let the Vatican know they are not welcome.
Are there any peaceful groups planning to protest?

I won't be joining you but. I am 100% supportive of your right to protest.

Everything above is true of Islam in spades. And there aren't any Catholic terror gangs out there. The systematic child abuse has been rooted out.

Yet protesting against the abuses in that religion will get you labelled a racist (bizarrely since Islam isn't a race). Would you organise a protest against Islam too or are you just going to call me racist?

Graces7

diomed wrote: »

Is more than one pope visiting?

No; then the apostrophe would come AFTER the last s...;)