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Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

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  • #7772
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    Sometimes people regret their sexual encounters afterwords wither straight away or the next morning for what ever reason.

    Yeah, so much so that they tell their best friends, end up making a complaint to the police, then in a witness stand for 8 days getting aggressively questioned by barristers on the most intimate details of their lives in a public court setting.

    Sounds legit.


  • #7773
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    Tritium and Tretorn.. no offence but i keep thinking ye're in the Shower/Bathroom business:D


  • #7774
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    I cant get over people being shocked at the slut comments even though I dont think Blane Mc Ilroy meant any real offence putting slut title on the photo of the girls. The only people with any real grieviance about that are the girls in the picture and they were probably amused.

    The girls probably put up photos of the lads in their whatsapp groups and seeing as they werent terribly interested in the men God knows how they would have captioned the photos.

    I mean are there genuinely people out there who dont realise that women who sleep around get a very bad reputation, do parents seriously not have a problem with their daughters putting it about with every Tom, Dick Or Harry. Thats certainly not the case with the parents I know anyway.


  • #7775
    RuMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭RuMan


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    It's the vibe I get off some people who says oh no woman would never have group sex or agree to be treated like that during sex.
    I can just base this on personal experience from myself and friends. Sometimes people regret their sexual encounters afterwords wither straight away or the next morning for what ever reason.

    Reminds me of stongly homophobic people who are often repressing their own urges. Could well be a form of self loathing here also.


  • #7776
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,815 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    "The vibe you get off people!!"....right...so it's the vibe we are working off now, not what anyone actually says....

    How often does that regret end up in a court case, doing huge damage to 5 young lives?

    Sorry I wrote that incorrectly. It's what they actually wrote No woman would never agree to anything like this. In my experience yes they would.
    I have no idea how often things like this ends up in court and neither do you.


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  • #7777
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Very wrong to start assuming things about witnesses who gave evidence under oath. Unless of course you know something that the PSNI don't. Perhaps you should let them know.

    Oh yes Fann Linn. Perjury has never happened before has it?? I said she could have told lies, she could have told the truth.

    A lot of people don't worry about an oath these days or centuries ago for that matter. Maybe you could go on a weeks training in the NI courts and PSNI and find out about perjury in court.


  • #7778
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,927 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    I did realise, as sometimes when people are overly preoccupied with the financial side of things they lose sight of the basics of morality. Sometimes those in socially deprived areas are involved in drugs. No societal group is better than the other.

    The law of the land found the men not guilty. But most reasonable people, including yourself, know full well that most involved didn't know what was going on that night. Amount of drink, parties feeling there was consent, a party feeling there wasn't. All very grey. Dara Florence 50 seconds of judgement. Did she know the rugby lads well??? Maybe she was a credible witness?? I don't know,you don't know, the people themselves mightn't know.

    They were found not guilty by the law. But people always have their own opinions in the back of their minds.

    Good grief, where do you live. It's 2018.
    It was a few smutty comments that I would say most young men engage in after a night out.
    Have you any contact with young people?


  • #7779
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,815 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Yeah, so much so that they tell their best friends, end up making a complaint to the police, then in a witness stand for 8 days getting aggressively questioned by barristers on the most intimate details of their lives in a public court setting.

    Sounds legit.

    I was just talking about friends getting upset after sex. I have seen friends get very upset after sex they consented to. I wan't referring to this case. Some people would lead you to believe it's unheard of to be upset after sex.


  • #7780
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    RuMan wrote: »
    Reminds me of stongly homophobic people who are often repressing their own urges. Could well be a form of self loathing here also.

    No a lot of us heterosexual males rather be intimate with a girl without having best friend Paddy in the bed with us. I'd say that's a fairly normal feeling among men, who wouldn't be repressed. Just wouldn't get any kick out of it.

    I mean Paddy in general now, not 'Jacko'.


  • #7781
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,085 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    Oh yes Fann Linn. Perjury has never happened before has it?? I said she could have told lies, she could have told the truth.

    A lot of people don't worry about an oath these days or centuries ago for that matter. Maybe you could go on a weeks training in the NI courts and PSNI and find out about perjury in court.

    Generalisation.


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  • #7782
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Good grief, where do you live. It's 2018.
    It was a few smutty comments that I would say most young men engage in after a night out.
    Have you any contact with young people?

    I do Francie. Train young lads. 2018 my backside. We should be evolving a bit. Not regressing to Neanderthals. If those attitudes spread shur there's no respect for women. I'd say it wouldn't bother you too much but if someone blacckguarded your sister or mother. Men have the physical power. They need to know how to behave and not objectify girls.

    Francie.. Jaysus.


  • #7783
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    Sorry I wrote that incorrectly. It's what they actually wrote No woman would never agree to anything like this. In my experience yes they would.
    I have no idea how often things like this ends up in court and neither do you.

    So....it's not the vibe you get off people, you are referring to what they wrote...

    Ok point out where anyone said that?

    I do know how they end up in court...someone makes a complaint to the police!


  • #7784
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    tretorn wrote: »
    I cant get over people being shocked at the slut comments even though I dont think Blane Mc Ilroy meant any real offence putting slut title on the photo of the girls. The only people with any real grieviance about that are the girls in the picture and they were probably amused.

    That’s all in your head.
    tretorn wrote: »
    The girls probably put up photos of the lads in their whatsapp groups and seeing as they werent terribly interested in the men God knows how they would have captioned the photos.

    That’s all in your head.
    tretorn wrote: »
    I mean are there genuinely people out there who dont realise that women who sleep around get a very bad reputation, do parents seriously not have a problem with their daughters putting it about with every Tom, Dick Or Harry. Thats certainly not the case with the parents I know anyway.

    And that paragraph just seems to be a stream of thought unconnected to anything that preceded it.


    Otherwise good post though.


  • #7785
    RuMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭RuMan


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    No a lot of us heterosexual males rather be intimate with a girl without having best friend Paddy in the bed with us. I'd say that's a fairly normal feeling among men, who wouldn't be repressed. Just wouldn't get any kick out of it.

    I mean Paddy in general now, not 'Jacko'.

    I was referring to a 3 some in general not specifically 2M1W. That wouldnt be my personal cup of tea but if all parties are happy who am i to judge.

    Would you be comfortable with 2 women ?


  • #7786
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    No a lot of us heterosexual males rather be intimate with a girl without having best friend Paddy in the bed with us. I'd say that's a fairly normal feeling among men, who wouldn't be repressed. Just wouldn't get any kick out of it.

    I mean Paddy in general now, not 'Jacko'.

    How do you know whats fairly normal and why is your normal supposed to be everybodys elses normal.

    Jacksons normal was threesomes, he went out the night afterwards and had another threesome/spitroast with Mc Ilroy. The friends on the whatsapp were told about the threesome, the hopping on and off the carnival and none of them expressed any surprise so to them threesomes was pretty normal too.

    For all we know the whole rugby team might prefer threesomes to normal sex and it sounds like there is no shortage of women heading to night clubs to find rugby people they can spit roast with.

    There is no accounting for taste.


  • #7787
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Generalisation.

    She definitely told the truth, Ms. Florence. No proof Fann Linn.


  • #7788
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,927 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    I do Francie. Train young lads. 2018 my backside. We should be evolving a bit. Not regressing to Neanderthals. If those attitudes spread shur there's no respect for women. I'd say it wouldn't bother you too much but if someone blacckguarded your sister or mother. Men have the physical power. They need to know how to behave and not objectify girls.

    Francie.. Jaysus.

    I didn't ask you to moralise. I asked did where you in contact with young people?

    Most young fella's talk about a night out like that. It's called banter.


    I think a lot of the outcry around this case is the still prevalent desire of some Irish people to control what goes on in bedrooms.


  • #7789
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    I was just talking about friends getting upset after sex. I have seen friends get very upset after sex they consented to. I wan't referring to this case. Some people would lead you to believe it's unheard of to be upset after sex.

    Jesus Christ....

    I'd be very worried if someone got very upset after sex...what kind of a world do you live in? You do all is takes is one complaint to the cops and you are in deep deep trouble!


  • #7790
    jm08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,338 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    One thing this trial really showed me was how prude some people are when it comes to sexual stuff. Some people(women more so) would lead you to believe nobody would never take part in any kind of kinky sex willingly. This isn't reality in my experience.

    You don't have to be a prude to think that having sex with multiple partners you've picked up outside a nightclub is downright stupid and morally questionable.


  • #7791
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    RuMan wrote: »
    I was referring to a 3 some in general not specifically 2M1W. That wouldnt be my personal cup of tea but if all parties are happy who am i to judge.

    Would you be comfortable with 2 women ?

    No i wouldn't disrespect my partner and she wouldn't like it. Irrelevant.


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  • #7792
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    That’s all in your head.



    That’s all in your head.



    And that paragraph just seems to be a stream of thought unconnected to anything that preceded it.


    Otherwise good post though.

    Everything you have posted is all in your head too.

    I have lived long enough to know women are as crude as men if not even cruder,they are more than capable of posting snaps of men with crude sexual comments on the pictures.

    If you dont accept that then your life is very sheltered.


  • #7793
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,815 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    So....it's not the vibe you get off people, you are referring to what they wrote...

    Ok point out where anyone said that?

    I do know how they end up in court...someone makes a complaint to the police!

    Some of the posts I had to actually delete because it could have lead to trouble for the site.
    My aunt also said it that a woman would never take part in group sex. This isn't the case in my experience.


  • #7794
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    No i wouldn't disrespect my partner and she wouldn't like it. Irrelevant.

    Have you asked your partner or have you decided she wouldnt like it because you think she wouldnt like it.

    Its not disrespecting your partner if you and she would like to join a swingers club, there are plenty of them around.


  • #7795
    RuMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭RuMan


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    No i wouldn't disrespect my partner and she wouldn't like it. Irrelevant.

    Fair enough if ur both happy good luck 2u. Others prefer alternative lifestyles and you shouldnt project your own personal morals on them no more then they should on you.


  • #7796
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,815 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    Jesus Christ....

    I'd be very worried if someone got very upset after sex...what kind of a world do you live in? You do all is takes is one complaint to the cops and you are in deep deep trouble!

    I went to college in the late 2000's went out to night clubs. I saw women get very upset for a lot of reason be it they slept with somebody and cheated, they did things that they regretted, they were afraid people might find out.


  • #7797
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I didn't ask you to moralise. I asked did where you in contact with young people?

    Most young fella's talk about a night out like that. It's called banter.


    I think a lot of the outcry around this case is the still prevalent desire of some Irish people to control what goes on in bedrooms.

    It's not banter when it's language like that. Only if your thick. Young lads are impressionable. If they think coach Francie thinks it's great 'banter' to talk about spit roasting sluts, merry go rounds, top shaggers, you are a fool and have no leadership qualities.

    You're normalising belittling women to young impressionable, not as cocky as they seem young lads. If you let them know they're are limits and who's boss you get respect.

    Anything you'd be involved in with young lads would be a farce with no one in charge. You can have banter but give example.


  • #7798
    jm08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,338 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    RuMan wrote: »
    I already said private messages are none of my business. Unlike the vile abuse to Dara Florence these messages werent sent to the woman

    So its alright, as long as she doesn't hear them.

    I wonder what they think of her now that she literally saved their bacon. And I wonder what she thinks of them.


  • #7799
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    RuMan wrote: »
    Fair enough if ur both happy good luck 2u. Others prefer alternative lifestyles and you shouldnt project your own personal morals on them no more then they should on you.


    There are probably lots of people around the country who have never heard of spit roasting but having read about it in detail for what seems like forever are probably thinking they would like to try it.

    Maybe Paddy if he cant get back rugby playing might set up spit roasting classes or he can bring bus loads of gawpers to his house and charge them money so they traipse around his boudoir.


  • #7800
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,927 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    It's not banter when it's language like that. Only if your thick. Young lads are impressionable. If they think coach Francie thinks it's great 'banter' to talk about spit roasting sluts, merry go rounds, top shaggers, you are a fool and have no leadership qualities.

    You're normalising belittling women to young impressionable, not as cocky as they seem young lads. If you let them know they're are limits and who's boss you get respect.

    Anything you'd be involved in with young lads would be a farce with no one in charge. You can have banter but give example.

    So they don't talk like that with you.

    That is all you know.
    I can tell you in the big bad world they do.

    I have worked in a bar, on and off and I cann assure you they do. It is nothing abnormal and it isn't about 'womankind' it is about specific types of women. They will also talk in the same way about specifiC types of males, 'horndogs' and even male 'sluts'.


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  • #7801
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    jm08 wrote: »
    So its alright, as long as she doesn't hear them.

    I wonder what they think of her now that she literally saved their bacon. And I wonder what she thinks of them.


    I am sure she feels terribly sorry for them, she saw three people having consensual sex and now two of those people have had their lives ruined.

    She didnt save anyones bacon, the events of the night were consensual so nobody had to be saved from anything.


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