tayto lover wrote: » You need to look at the history of why the SCC was set up. It was for subversive cases and now it includes gangland cases where witnesses might be intimidated and as such is juryless. The Central Criminal Court hears most murder and rape cases and it has a jury.
Creol1 wrote: » My recollection is that the radio host in question was widely condemned and his career effectively ended.
Creol1 wrote: » Further to this, I would point out that, as per the below link, male-majority juries are more likely to convict men accused of rape than female-majority juries. A bit odd for a male-centred rape culture. I would also note that not only is rape utterly unacceptable to the vast majority of men, but in prisons with the most hardened criminals, e.g., murderers, arsonists, you will actually find that rapists need protection and are often kept apart from other prisoners in the interests of their own safety. That is the opposite of what you would expect if we lived in a "rape culture".https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/stanford-rape-case-female-dominated-juries-less-likely-to-convict-in-rape-cases-404525.html
Silentcorner wrote: » Actually there is ya...there is the existence in this country of a Special Criminal Court....it is juryless...it exists for a very good reason. The fact that the vast majority of us do not engage in murder does not negate that courts existence.
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » Theres a lot more to this sorry mess than is being made available. I dont think it was thrown out on just the DF evidence. Theres learnings for both jurisdictions, not to increase the conviction rate, but to ensure a fairer system exists for both complainant and defendant though.
Silentcorner wrote: » Correct, it exists to tackle organised crime, in which there is a culture of murder! Whether we like to admit that this is also a part of Irish culture is another thing. Answer me this. Why are League of Ireland games so heavily policed?
ShowMeTheCash wrote: » This is not a "culture" you are describing rape as if it is part of Irish culture... It is not. To suggest it is a culture would suggest every man in Ireland finds it acceptable..... They don't!
hill16bhoy wrote: » He was widely condemned by reasonable people. He was widely supported by idiots who couldn't comprehend the meaning of his words.There is a widespread culture of rape within prisons. The Belfast trial, and this thread, have demonstrated that many men don't even know what constitutes rape or consent.
hill16bhoy wrote: » Again, you demonstrate a very basic misunderstanding of what culture is. Only a tiny minority of people in Ireland play traditional music. According to your logic, there is no culture of playing traditional music in Ireland.
tritium wrote: » Seriously mate you don’t know what the **** your on about Hint : the special criminal court doesn’t exist for the reasons you seem to think or imply
Silentcorner wrote: » I am only referring to the people on this thread and elsewhere who have indicated their opinion, and to be fair, a lot of posters have indicated that very testimony as the reason they believed she was not telling the truth, read back over the thread if you don't believe me! We of course are not privy to all the facts of this case.
tritium wrote: » No I’ve demonstrated that I think you’re talking ****e since I in no way would take what you described as cultural norms
tayto lover wrote: » Ah FFS. Now you're just waffling for the sake of it. Your posts are not worth responding to.
hill16bhoy wrote: » Yeah, you've demonstrated clearly that you think I'm talking ****e. In terms of actually demonstrating that I am talking ****e, you've made no headway whatsoever. You quite obviously have a vested interest in dismissing that there is a rape culture.
Silentcorner wrote: » I am talking about another facet of Irish culture, albeit one not as emotive as this it seems!! In an attempt to help you understand the point we are discussing, if you don't have an answer then fair enough.
Silentcorner wrote: » Does Irish organised crime not have a culture of murder?
tayto lover wrote: » Well then your attempt was poor and resembled waffling.
Tsipras wrote: » culture of murder, wtf are you on about
One eyed Jack wrote: » What you're describing isn't culture, it's a hobby. Traditional Irish music is part of Irish culture; rape, is not.
Amirani wrote: » Also by that logic, there's a culture of absolutely everything in Ireland that some people are involved in. Including, both raping and not raping I guess? So we have simultaneously a "rape culture" and a "non rape culture". Fair? Pretty silly and meaningless though no?
Silentcorner wrote: » OK there is no culture of murder in Irish Organised crime. The Special Criminal Court is a figment of my imagination. Now, where's that big huge Irish made carpet we sweep all our problems under?
Tipcorlad wrote: » The conviction rate is so low because we have a legal system that is stacked against a victim of rape. It is so low because of the rape myths that are so common in everyday life, many seen here on tbis thread It is so low because reasonable doubt has been made out by defence laywers to be any doubt at all, not any reasonable doubt. I believe that girls account but based on the law i couldnt have found them guilty as there is always room for a tiny bit of doubt in a he said she said. But the evidence should carry the most weight. A woman can have an internal tear, be seen to be hysterical by a completely independant witness, have bloodstained clothes, have her blood on the duvet where she claims to have been raped, tell friends immediately, have a medical exam within 24hrs, go to the police and still it is not enough. I think a rape case (possibly all criminal cases) should be judged by judges who are specially trained to disregard rape myths. The new Icelandic law seems positive. Enthusiastic consent. What everyman having sex should want.
hill16bhoy wrote: » There are many different cultures. If you want to call reasonable, non-misogynist behaviour "non-rape culture", go right ahead if you feel the need to do so! As I said, a tiny minority of people in Ireland attend League of Ireland games regularly or play in rock bands. Both of those things are cultures. I would strongly suggest that the numbers of those who engage in manifestations of rape culture is a hell of a lot higher than those who attend League of Ireland matches regularly or play in bands.
emeraldwinter wrote: » OK, Lets change organised crime to Travellers just for an example is that true ? Or is there a culture of murder in Islam ?? examples here devils advocate.
hill16bhoy wrote: » I'm not particularly interested in what terms you have or haven't heard. Do you believe there is a culture of racism amongst, say, members of the BNP or the EDL in Britain or the National Front in France? Was there a culture of racism in English football crowds in the 1970s? A culture of racism is a racist culture.
hill16bhoy wrote: » Examples of cultures of criminality include the Dublin gang culture,
hill16bhoy wrote: » The drink driving culture in rural areas, and the culture of tax evasion among white collar types in this country in the 1980s and 1990s.
hill16bhoy wrote: » A culture which fails to recognise things that are categorically rape as rape.
hill16bhoy wrote: » which seeks to mitigate rape, which seeks to put any blame for rape onto victims.
hill16bhoy wrote: » which seeks to out complainants and brand them as a "liar"
hill16bhoy wrote: » Accepting any of that means you are a participant in rape culture. I get all this just fine, thanks. Many clearly don't.
Silentcorner wrote: » There is a culture of violent feuds in Irish Traveller communities, that does not mean that all Travellers engage in violent feuds! There is a culture of crime in all societies, some have bigger problems than others, it is apart of life, why deny it?
ShowMeTheCash wrote: » I will repeat myself Culture refers to social norms and acceptable behavior in society. It refers to laws and traditions among many others. I think traditional music falls under traditions..... My logic stands where are your logic has failed to get off the floor!
