Silentcorner wrote: » It is because they are worlds apart, in relevance and context.
Mrsmum wrote: » He was cleared of rape. He did not do nothing wrong unless your standards are in the gutter. SO was cleared of rape too but he understood a human being got hurt that night and for that he spoke of regret. Man up Paddy and apologise.
tretorn wrote: » It would have been so much better for all concerned if she had gone home. The other women in the house had a good evening of fun with the men and none ended up in bedrooms. Dara Florence even managed to have a goid night while being sober. The sad truth is most people probably think her behaviour was completely lacking in self respect, people never think this about young men.
tritium wrote: » Should his accuser issue an apology too? Or just Jackson for financial reasons? Exactly how sleazy and insincere would you like this apology game to be?
Mr.H wrote: » fattymuatty wrote: A teenager was left sobbing and bleeding through her clothes, these men thought that was something to brag and joke about. Yeah they deserve repercussions. Like it or not when your career is being a high profile sport person you are a role model, people like these should not be in that position. Yet she wasn't raped..... Stop the witch hunt
fattymuatty wrote: A teenager was left sobbing and bleeding through her clothes, these men thought that was something to brag and joke about. Yeah they deserve repercussions. Like it or not when your career is being a high profile sport person you are a role model, people like these should not be in that position.
AudreyHepburn wrote: » He was cleared of rape ergo he did nothing wrong. What he talks about in his private WhatsApp messages is his own business and not something that he needs to apologize for. I’ll ask again, and I’d like an answer this time please, what should he apologize for given he’s done nothing wrong?
Faugheen wrote: » Innocent until proven guilty applies to her as well as the defendants. There has been no evidence to suggest she wasn't raped. Stop the lies.
The Talking Bread wrote: » Faugheen wrote: » Why are you talking about if someone is innocent and if there was consent. Olding was found not guilty and says there was consent, and apologised anyway. Jackson can despise the woman all he wants, but this is his mess. Notice how very few are talking ill of Olding in comparison to Jackson. He's been an absolute PR disaster since he was acquitted and the sponsors can point to that as well when it comes to Ulster and the IRFUs investigation. If I behave like they did, and all the information gets out to clients and customers of where I work, I would be sacked and I wouldn't have a leg to stand on. These boys won't either. Clarify what you think he apologised for?
Faugheen wrote: » Why are you talking about if someone is innocent and if there was consent. Olding was found not guilty and says there was consent, and apologised anyway. Jackson can despise the woman all he wants, but this is his mess. Notice how very few are talking ill of Olding in comparison to Jackson. He's been an absolute PR disaster since he was acquitted and the sponsors can point to that as well when it comes to Ulster and the IRFUs investigation. If I behave like they did, and all the information gets out to clients and customers of where I work, I would be sacked and I wouldn't have a leg to stand on. These boys won't either.
Fann Linn wrote: » Faugheen wrote: » Innocent until proven guilty applies to her as well as the defendants. There has been no evidence to suggest she wasn't raped. Stop the lies. She wasn't on trial.
Mrsmum wrote: » whereas a big man knows there is no shame in apologising for the unintentional hurt you have caused another and in this case also the public.
Faugheen wrote: » He apologised for the hurt caused to the complainant and added that it wasn't his intention to upset anyone. He admits his actions upset someone. That's not to say he knew he was raping her, either.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Faugheen wrote: » He apologised for the hurt caused to the complainant and added that it wasn't his intention to upset anyone. He admits his actions upset someone. That's not to say he knew he was raping her, either. How do you know Jackson hasn't done this too, privately? Exactly - you don't.
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » More double standards.. Theres an ixnay on the "she falsified her claim", and rightly so. But you seem quite comfortable with the "although acquitted, theres no evidence she wasnt raped"
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » Faugheen wrote: » Innocent until proven guilty applies to her as well as the defendants. There has been no evidence to suggest she wasn't raped. Stop the lies. More double standards.. Theres an ixnay on the "she falsified her claim", and rightly so. But you seem quite comfortable with the "although acquitted, theres no evidence she wasnt raped"
Faugheen wrote: » Why would he apologise privately and then turn around and say the PSNI and PPS sought out a malicious case against him because he's an Irish rugby player with the complainant as their main witness? If he has apologised privately, then the above makes that apology very insincere, and in fact it looks worse for him that privately he's saying sorry, but publically he's attacking the very people who took the case on her behalf. Think about things before you suggest bull**** and you wont look like an idiot.
professore wrote: » It's utter bull**** that there are double standards nowadays for young men. Just look at this thread. It's all about shaming them for banter. Women can openly discuss men and what they want to do with them and no one bats an eyelid. Imagine a film in the cinema where some guy gets to have sex with lots of sluts. How long would that last? Then look at 50 shades. The double standards are in the other direction.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Faugheen wrote: » Why would he apologise privately and then turn around and say the PSNI and PPS sought out a malicious case against him because he's an Irish rugby player with the complainant as their main witness? If he has apologised privately, then the above makes that apology very insincere, and in fact it looks worse for him that privately he's saying sorry, but publically he's attacking the very people who took the case on her behalf. Think about things before you suggest bull**** and you wont look like an idiot. He isn't the only one critical of the case coming to court. And I fail to see why he couldn't make an apology in private. Olding made one with reservations which you are lauding him for. Why couldn't Jackson?
Captain Obvious wrote: » You've never seen a Bond movie? He was cleared of rape means he did nothing illegal. Wether he did something wrong or not is a matter of opinion and there's clearly a large body of people who believe he did something wrong. I'd agree with you in that he shouldn't apologise if he feels he did nothing wrong though.
Tsipras wrote: » Looking forward to HER apology to PJ Live on TV would be great
Faugheen wrote: » Because Jackson publically is slamming the authorities and insinuating that they only brought the case to court because he's an international rugby player. What part of that are you failing to grasp? How could he say this publically and then turn around and say 'I'm sorry for hurting you, but the authorities are wee pricks'? How? Tell me that. That's right, you can't, because the idea of common sense goes right over your head. Olding apologised publically and didn't attack anyone. All Jackson is doing is pointing the finger of him being an absolute animal at other people. Would would apologising privately do for him? **** all, he's supposed to be in damage limitation mode and you're saying it's better for him to repair the damage by apologising privately? Go away, you are so out of your depth it's unreal.
Faugheen wrote: » I'm blaming him for his actions. He performed sex acts on a woman who was left bleeding (which he knew) and in hysterics. He boasted about spitroasting said woman (who was left bleeding and in hysterics) on whatsapp. He used his standing as an international rugby player to suggest this was a malicious case that was brought against him. He hasn't apologised to the woman despite the fact Olding has. That's all on him. Stop telling me to not blame him for his actions. He behaved in a way that made a woman feel like she was raped (note I said 'feel like' and am not saying he raped her. Big difference). That is inexcusable. He is an international rugby player (he may have said that once or twice) and he behaved despicably. That is enough for him to lose his job if the IRFU and Ulster sees fit. The IRFU won't be pandering to any politician. If the sponsors don't want those two wearing their logos, then there's plenty the IRFU have on Jackson and Olding if they so need. Also, show me the evidence that she filed a false allegation please. Innocent until proven guilty works both ways.
