Silentcorner wrote: That is after a guilty verdict.
Deleted User wrote: » The jury counts for six people instead of twelve. A poll on Facebook makes up the other six.
tritium wrote: » A question though, if as per his version, he had sex with a woman who and on to him while he was extremely drunk what exactly should he apologise for? Why should he be humble?
tretorn wrote: » The major change needed in UK law is to allow men their anonymity until such time as they are convicted of rape. I cant see what major changes are needed in our jurisdiction. Im not happy for any reduction in the rights of accused mdn to defend themselves. Im appalled the Belfast case was ever taken so no way do I want some sort of secret court system for men accused of rape, god knows what would go on there if we let feminist lunatics be in charge.
Strazdas wrote: However their general behaviour that night created a lot of problems for themselves. All of them drunk, two men arriving in a bedroom completely uninvited and looking for sex where a man and woman had been alone, the subsequent WhatsApp conversations etc. This was not some unfortunate random incident that 'happened' to them....they created much of the background to it themselves.
Silentcorner wrote: » Ah come on... Like I have said, at least half a dozen time, a victim should have access to her own legal representation.
For a start. I also think that everyone from An Garda, to the Judiciary should receive and be familiar with every aspect of rape and sexual assault.
I also think that jurors should be given an induction course to the same.
By the way, more education would help everyone sort between genuine rape cases and false rape accusations.
Mrsmum wrote: » He has to be pragmatic now and accept that many, many people are horrified by everything around what he was involved in. You can pretend he is whiter than white, I bet he knows he isn't so he needs to admit it in order to put it behind him.
Christy42 wrote: They are protesting how people are treated as they bring forward sexual assault/rape cases. How is that letting down humanity? Strong words. I would apply that far quicker to those in the WhatsApp conversation or some of the disgusting comments I have seen on twitter towards this woman (Laois and Drogheda players amongst them).
Christy42 wrote: At no point were they ever proven not guilty. That is not how are justice system works. They are of course assumed not guilty. Claiming they are proven not guilty suggests that the woman is at fault and that this fact has been shown in fact. No such thing has been proven. We are in a legal state of not knowing what happened.
Mrsmum wrote: » Advice to PJ if he wants to play again - come down off his high horse
RuMan wrote: » U dont seem to understand. Look at it from his position. He had consensual sex with a woman who falsely accussed him of rape. He may have to leave his home town club and may never play internationally. He's missed out on a grand slam and big financial rewards. Again be believes it was entirely consensual and the woman willingly had sex and changed her mind and made a false accusations. I accept you think he is lying but if he isnt why in the name of god would he apologise? He probably feels she owes him an apology.
fattymuatty wrote: A teenager was left sobbing and bleeding through her clothes, these men thought that was something to brag and joke about. Yeah they deserve repercussions. Like it or not when your career is being a high profile sport person you are a role model, people like these should not be in that position.
tretorn wrote: » I think she was a complete idiot to go into a VIP section of a nightclub. If she wasnt looking to hook up with celebreties why go there. She was insane to invite herself to PJs house, he hadnt a clue who she was, she should have stayed with her friends. She shouldnt have followed Jackson anywhere, he wasnt bringing her on a tour of the house, he thought casual sex was on offer and he was up for it. She texted that the other womens behaviour was slutty and then she heads off with jackson, how bizarre is this. The other women are slutty and yet out of the four women present she ends up in a threesome with two men. Bizarre .
Faugheen wrote: » Why are you talking about if someone is innocent and if there was consent. Olding was found not guilty and says there was consent, and apologised anyway. Jackson can despise the woman all he wants, but this is his mess. Notice how very few are talking ill of Olding in comparison to Jackson. He's been an absolute PR disaster since he was acquitted and the sponsors can point to that as well when it comes to Ulster and the IRFUs investigation. If I behave like they did, and all the information gets out to clients and customers of where I work, I would be sacked and I wouldn't have a leg to stand on. These boys won't either.
AudreyHepburn wrote: » I find it bizarre that people haven’t taken issue with how she spoke about the other women yet are only short of demanding the four men be crucified for what they said about that night. The hypocrisy and double standards are staggering.
tritium wrote: » So in that scenario he should fake an apology after what he’s been through just to satisfy the baying mob? Even though he was acquitted, made no salacious WhatsApp posts and was accused of rape by a woman who according to his view came on to him while he was drunk? You suggestion is, after all that, he lie? Even as the victim he should do a mea culpa? Cause what you’re suggesting, in the circumstances I’ve outlines, sounds like victim blaming tbh
Silentcorner wrote: » The only thing bizarre is that text. Perhaps she should just stayed at home that night eh? You do realise that her entire testimony and complaint was based on the fact that the threesome was not consual right? She claims to have left the bedroom the first time because she did not want sex. She was captured in a photograph at 3.50am (in the backround of a picture) ten minutes before the incident began, putting on her shoes...
Mrsmum wrote: » No he should examine his conscience, understand why people are not loving him and apologise for his part in all that. That would show a bit of maturity.
Silentcorner wrote: » It is because they are worlds apart, in relevance and context.
AudreyHepburn wrote: » His part in what? You do realize he’s done nothing wrong?
The Wordress wrote: » Their Lad chat really really disgusted me. Whatever about being found innocent of raping the girl but there was no need for the pathetic 'banter' after. So disrespectful and degrading. They are well paid sportsmen who should be good role models. For that alone I wouldn't let them near a pitch in an Ireland jersey. I think a precedent should be set about using such degrading vocabulary and their behaviour all round.
Mrsmum wrote: » He was cleared of rape. He did not do nothing wrong unless your standards are in the gutter. SO was cleared of rape too but he understood a human being got hurt that night and for that he spoke of regret. Man up Paddy and apologise.
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